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Suggestions List:
        Keeps all interesting ideas of how to improve Imagine in further
        versions. It is important that each idea is very detailed.
        Such things as :... the action editor has to be improved ...
        will not help anyone.
Bug Report List:
        I think it is in some way a unique feature which Impulse gets
        through this list. Eveyerone who encounters a bug should
        report it as precise as he could.

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Now it is for you to put up ideas of how those lists should be kept.
Which information should be kept?

Keep in touch
Hannes

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21400.3.1.4897 Re: Hello?...???
9/16/93 12:03 24/ Doug Kelly <[e-mail]>
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> Does anyone have any questions they want answered from Impulse?  I am gonna
> go ahead and fax in a sheet of questions like Mike suggested I do.
>
> Tom Setzer
>

How about some way of making anims from the PC that the Amiga can play
back?  The Amiga's a much better machine for video output, but PCs are
cheaper to use as rendering engines.  Copying rendered images over before
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making the anim is a real time&bandwidth hog, too; strictly a stopgap, not
a solution.

Don't forget to mention that, despite all the complaints, there's quite a
few registered users out here having a great time with Imagine.  Keep up
the good work, Mike!
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21400.3.1.4898 Screamer for Imagine?
9/16/93 11:49 34/ Doug Kelly <[e-mail]>
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Just re-reading the LATimes article on the NewTek Screamer.  Interesting
points: it's supposed to be running Windows NT, the connection to the
Toaster is a SCSI or network connector, and the Screamer's hard drive is
only for system software, the images are sent back to the Amiga's hard drive.

Windows NT!?  Looks like they're hedging their bets regarding the Amiga
platform.

And you're going to need a MONDO hard drive; add that chunk o' change onto
the 'base price' of a Screamin' Toaster.
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The connector and operating system choices make me wonder if it wouldn't
be possible for other rendering software to use the Screamer.  IMHO, it
makes a lot more sense to spend programmer's time on an interface to
existing hardware than to try developing your own hardware, especially if
you're a small company with not much of an R&D budget.

So if the Screamer actually ships anytime soon, how about someone working
out the code to let Imagine use it?  600 MIPS is nothing to sneeze at,
especially if they can ship it at $10K.
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Of course, the reporter may have gotten the details wrong, they could have
some proprietary hardware getting in the way, or any number of other
problems...but I'd really like to hear some discussion on this.  Imagine
users really need a cost-effective production-speed machine, and IMHO
networked 486 PCs or 040 Amigas just don't cut it.
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21400.3.1.4899 Re: Seagate ST-3600A HD?
9/16/93 14:00 12/ Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
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> Yes, the 3600A has been discontinued.
> However, it has been superceeded by the ST3655A.  Same exact specs, except
> for 1 less physical platter (thus a little faster).

DPS is currently working on qualifying a newer bigger drive.
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21400.3.1.4900 transputer
9/16/93 14:33 9/ [e-mail] (Kevin Kodama)
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what, no one discussing Khalid Aldoseri's "RSN" transputer board for the
amiga ? Clint W of Vistapro says he is signed on to have software to run on
it, and Khalid seemed to "hint" of an Imagine porttoo...
i heard all of this on Compuserve the last week or so....
maybe Lightwave won't be the only thing "screaming" in the near future...:-)

kevin
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21400.3.1.4901 Re: Hey..Youse Guys
9/16/93 14:25 17/ Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
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> If you haven't yet seen Mark Thompson's absolutely
> stunning display of grass movement demonstrated in his
> animation Windmill.lha, I highly recommend you grab it.
> It's awesome.

Thanks Dave! I didn't post a notice about it here because 1) its LW generated
and 2) most of you would have seen the notice on c.s.a.graphics or on the
LW list. For those that are interested, there are two other recent anims
from me on Aminet in gfx/anim: FredFloaty.lha and Creature.lha. Creature
is 60 frames and about 1MB. FredFloaty is 2558 frames and 5.4MB. Enjoy.
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21400.3.1.4902 RE: Imagine the next Generation
9/16/93 15:26 21/ Steve J. Lombardi <[e-mail]>
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>
> > Not losing people, just some understand the world of writing software and are
> > using the best software available at date.
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> Anyway, right now Essence I and II are only available for Imagine, so
> that means that Imagine is the only system even worth considering,
> imperfect although it may be :-) If the Apex folks port EI/II to R3D,
> and R3D was cheap enough, I'd probably move.  (Or alternately, a
> standalone version of LW with EI/II).  Impulse ought to be _awfully_
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Don't forget that someone released a hardware dongle that will allow
you to run lightwave on a non toasster amiga. It would
be tempting if the Price dropped to about 300 bucks from the current
600. Also the learning curveof a new package and the fact that I own essence
I and II are also good reasons to stick with Imagine. I really wish 3.0
would come soon. I'm sure it will be worth the wait, but every day
it's late is a day I could be learning LW.

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21400.3.1.4903 The Finished Output
9/16/93 16:21 16/ Graeme Mc Donough <[e-mail]>
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Hi all ..


I use scala to run all of my Imagine anims with sound.
Scala seems an excelent product for this.

I would like to here some opinions on this and possibly some
other software that would do the same...

An Interesting topic to get feedback on..
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Oh Umm....    Dave Wickard wrote that there is a awesome animation
                called Windmill.lha.  Where is it so I can grab it and
                have a look.
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21400.3.1.4904 Imagine PC, Retina Board
9/16/93 16:17 27/ [e-mail]
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Hi!

I have a couple of questions.

1)  Does Imagine PC come with its own manuals.  I recently (yesterday!)
    purchased Imagine 2.0 for the Amiga and I want to get the PC
    version also, but I NEED another manual.  I don't want to lug
    around the 2.0 manual from my Ami to my PC at work.  So I guess
    what I am asking is does it come with a full users manual or just
    an addendum.  If it only comes with an addendum, how do I get a
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    second manual?  BTW, how do I go about getting Imagine PC?
    I sent in my Registration card today, do I have to wait a week
    or so before ordering it?

2)  Does anyone have the Retina board?  How do you like it?
    What kind of monitor do you have?  Is the 1280x1024 interlaced
    or non-interlaced.  If it is non-interlaced, is there a monitro
    which will handle 1280x1024 NI and sync down to 15khz for normal
    Amiga-modes.

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3)  Has there been any Impulse Gazettes since Summer 1992.  My box
    only had that one and I thought there were some newer ones.
    How do I get the newer ones?

Sorry for the long jibber!

David.
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21400.3.1.4905 RE: Imagine the next Generation
9/16/93 17:11 11/ Tim Salazar <[e-mail]>
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Yep, I agree with you there. The biggest reason that I stay with Imagine, o
other than for old time sake, is because of Essence I, II, and the promise
of Pro.

Going to LW3 was a big investment and jump for me... but I have been able
to model some boolean stuff in LW and port it back to Imagine for rendering
with the other Imagine objects. Just that alone was worth about 1/2 the
price of a used Toaster with 3.0 ! (many hours of slicing errors and hair
pulling in Imagine was turned into a smile.)

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21400.3.1.4906
9/16/93 18:08 52/ [e-mail]@unix.portal.com
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Tom, et.al.,
   Here is the beginning of the proto3 demo script.  Ryc and I need to
work out the late t.o. portion.

Legend:  > represents the prompt in the xterm where run_flex is
executed.
         -- starts a comment. Comments sometimes give menu names.
         mouse means click on the indicated field in a given menu.
> cd flex/working/bin
> run_flex
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> s q u                  -- to start qtp, ui
mouse   SODO, OCA,..     -- on login window
mouse   startup and OK   -- from main menu under initialization
mouse   FL1              -- from select menu.
type    1030             -- in demoTime window
> l                      -- to start flexalert process (copy the latest
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mouse   distribute tasks -- on task preview window

   -- After kb initialized window appears the demo team will explore
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   -- the SDBs, marquee, user alarm process, ..., and other features.
   -- Bring up the marquee with replanning and bundling selected.

> e              -- to start up evm process.  All the missions that
   -- launch prior to 1245 should have status reports reporting correct
   -- T.O. times and some(most) should have success or unsuccessful
   -- status reports.

mouse   Status Reports          -- on main menu under execution
mouse   Intelligence -> target  -- to select target status report
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find    OCA999                  -- in target window
mouse   left                    -- on OCA999 to select
mouse   right -> Copy to Work Area
change  2a to 1a                -- in priority window
type    [your name]             -- in source field
type    [comment}               -- in Remarks field
mouse   APPLY
   -- bring up Attack Worksheet from Task Worksheet as follows
mouse   replanning -> Task WorkSheet      -- on main menu
mouse   right -> query -> My Active Tasks -- in TASKS area
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mouse   right -> Copy To Work Area
mouse   Attack Replanning -> Target Woak Sheet  -- in TASK WORK AREA
   -- find INT034 in TARGET NOMINATION AREA
mouse left                      -- on INT034 to select
mouse right -> Generate Options
   -- explore options on marquee
   -- Either from marquee hot buttons or from option menu divert a msn

   -- There are lots of opportunities to show off the system.
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21400.3.1.4907 RE: Imagine the next Generation
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>Anyway, right now Essence I and II are only available for Imagine, so
>that means that Imagine is the only system even worth considering,
>imperfect although it may be :-) If the Apex folks port EI/II to R3D,
>and R3D was cheap enough, I'd probably move.  (Or alternately, a
>standalone version of LW with EI/II).  Impulse ought to be _awfully_
>nice to Apex though, because I suspect the only reason many people are
>still using Imagine is because of Essence.
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     I'm one ;-). If it wasn't for Essence, I would have purchased Real3D
awhile ago. As it is, my bank account is aiming for higher goals,
Lightwave 3.0. Only a thousand or so to go 'til I have WORKING booleans
<that's the one that picks me>. Don't get me wrong, I love Imagine but it
hasen't kept up with the times. I'd miss the cycle editor though,
sniff.... Perhaps Imagine 3.0 will change my mind and I'll get my dream
deck instead, here's hoping....

                                             Christopher
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ps. I've started an animation sig on the local freenet system. It's not
really running up to snuff yet but comments would be appreciated. Anyone
with telnet can join ;-). Address is in the sig (ua197).



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On Sep 17,  9:21am, Graeme Mc Donough wrote:
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> Oh Umm....    Dave Wickard wrote that there is a awesome animation
>               called Windmill.lha.  Where is it so I can grab it and
>               have a look.
>-- End of excerpt from Graeme Mc Donough


I got it from Aminet (wuarchive.wustl.edu), in the /pub/aminet/gfx/anim
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21400.3.1.4909 Essence I or II... FPU?
9/17/93 03:53 18/ "- Carsten Berggreen - Denmark -" <[e-mail]>
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Hi there,

I have a very simple, but un-answered question... (I think)

"Can I run the Essence textures WITHOUT a FPU" ??????

That's it and that's that!

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9/17/93 06:26 27/ [e-mail] (Dale R Rogers)
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        I was brousing through comp.sys.amiga.graphics and saw something
        about a new box Light Rave.  It enables someone to run Lightwave
        on their Amiga without having a Toaster.  Have you heard of this?
        This would make having Lightwave and Opalvision (and IMagine of
        course) possible in the same system.

        Also... after my conversation with DPS, I wonder how "soon" the
        newer bigger drive will be certified.  I don't want to buy a
        smaller drive, outgrow it quickly, and be stuck with a slower
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        500Meg IDE drive for my 2500; only to have to go out a buy a 1G HD
        6 months down the road.  But, on the other hand, I don't want to
        wait twiddling my thumbs waiting for another drive to be certified,
        and find out that 6 months have passed by and my PAR is collecting
        dust.  No one at DPS could (would) give me an answer.  Do you have
        a tentative time frame as to when the newly certified drive will
        be available?  I hate being stuck with these decisions.  Be
        patient and perhaps get a faster, better product at the expense of
        being able to use my PAR now.  GRRRR!!!!!

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21400.3.1.4911 Seagate ST3600 series HD deal
9/17/93 08:39 53/ David Watters <[e-mail]>
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In an effort to do my part to strengthen the Amiga's position as THE computer
of choice for graphics/video production, I have arranged for the members
of the various Amiga related mailing lists and newsgroups to recieve a very
attractive discount on the Seagate ST3600A, and ST3655A IDE hard disk drives.

As most of you know, I am a giant fan of Digital Processing Systems' Personal
Animation Recorder (PAR).  This board contains LSI's realtime JPEG compression
chipset and is able to playback and record (with a TBC-IV) video at 30fps to
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the above mentioned Seagate hard disks.  This board is ideal for low to
medium quality computer graphics production and has output quality that is
easily on par, no pun intended, with S-VHS/Hi8 and closely rivals that of true
component formats such as Betacam SP and M-II.

The only drive that is currently qualified on the PAR is the ST3600A.  This
drive is 540MB, and has a VERY quick internal transfer rate (2.5-3.5MB/sec)
which allows it to work with the PAR.
This drive has recently been replaced by the cheaper, faster ST3655A.  The
3655 has the same capacity, but does so with one less physical platter helping
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to reduce it's cost and speed it up a bit.  The 3655 has not been qualified
by DPS to work with the PAR as of yet, but I am personally using the 3655
on my PAR without any problem and with block sizes a hair larger than my
friend and his 3600.

So...

Through me, and with VISA/MC or cashier's check only, you can get the
Seagate ST3600A for $690 and the Seagate ST3655A for $630, plus tax if
applicable.
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This is ment as a favor from me and not a means to make big money.  If anything,
it is a real pain in the butt for my boss and others who don't give a crud
about the Ami, but I forced them to do it! :)

Any comments or questions can be emailed to: [e-mail]

I will post this info to the appropirate c.s.a newsgroups, but if someone
would like to forward this to some other mailing lists I am unaware of that
would be great.
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21400.3.1.4912 Re: T3DLIB, R39
9/17/93 08:49 66/ [e-mail] (Glenn M. Lewis - ICD ~)
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[ For those of you on the IML, I thought this had enough useful
information in it, possibly, to warrant posting to the IML.  Forgive
me, please, if you feel I was wrong.  -- Glenn ]

>>>>> "Theophil" == Theophil  <[e-mail]> writes:

        Hi, Theophil!

Theophil> Hallo Glenn I have get the T3Dlib from wustle, it seems ok.
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Theophil> I want to register with 25$ for your whole packages.  I need
Theophil> them like spheric... bump... very,very.  Question : for
Theophil> understanding your tools. With "spheric.." i can computing
Theophil> for example a car-modell in a sphere with equal number of
Theophil> points and with good morphing without crossing of faces and
Theophil> edges - can i translate this sphere further to a plane ?

        I have not tried a morph, personally, after conforming an
object to a sphere...  But I don't see why this could not be done...
And conforming to a plane should be equally easy...  Here is what I
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mbb < car.iob
(note minimum bounding box... calculate center of car, X,Y,Z)
spherize <X> <Y> <Z> 100 100 100 < car.iob > sphere_car.ttddd
readwrite -tddd < sphere_car.ttddd > sphere_car.iob
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edit sphere_plane.ttddd
(Then, pop up an editor, and perform a global search-and-replace
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readwrite -tddd < sphere_plane.ttddd > sphere_plane.iob

        In fact, Theophil, if you would prefer, maybe you would like
to send me a car object and I will perform the steps and send you the
results so that you can test out my theory before you register?  Or
maybe I should try it on something here, like maybe a rook chesspiece
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Theophil> first time for me to send money to america - i don't know.

        Um, maybe an international money order or go to a bank and
they can send a US check?  I'm not exactly sure, but I know I have
troubles converting other currency into US dollars here, so if it is
possibly on your end, that would help tremendously.

Theophil> It would be very nice , if you can send me your package per
Theophil> e-mail in the next two tays.  Paying is shure.
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        No problem.  In fact, I prefer e-mail if at all possible.  Let
me know if you would like me to perform the experiment first before
you register.

Theophil> I,m working on an honorable Insitut in Germany - you can
Theophil> believe.
Theophil> I'm happy to hear from you - Thanks
Theophil> [e-mail]
Theophil> my address: Fraunhofer-Institut IITB - Abt.IV
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Theophil> iitb means Institut for Informations an Dates

        Thanks, Theophil!  I look forward to hearing your reply.

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|       dust.  No one at DPS could (would) give me an answer.  Do you have

        Oops.  I "jumped the gun".  David White at DPS did respond to my
        email inquiry; a little later than I expected.  My apologies to
        DPS.

        The projected availability of large hard drives being made
        available to DPS is around January or later.  DPS will then need
        the time to certify the drive.  5 to 6 months seems to be the
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        This is a response from DPS about the projected availability of an
        alternative hard drive for the PAR system.  You can expect at
        least a four month wait.  Given the trend of the computer industry
        in slipping expected time estimates, I would bet on 5 to 6
        myself.

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        Imagine.  I'm working on an Imagine animation but don't have a way
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        solve that particular obstacle.

|>        I just heard that a larger HD than the Seagate ST-3600A will be
|>        qualified soon to work with the PAR.  Do you have an estimated
|>        time that you perceive you will be finished with your tests?
|>        Also, which drive is being investigated?  The Seagate ST-3655A?
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|We have talked to drive manufactures that will be making larger drive but dont
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Hi all
I know this info has been posted many times before, but I'm wondering
what would be a good anim player for an A500 with a hard drive and
4.5 Megs ram - no accellerator.  I'd like to take a look at that
windmill anim, but it'd be a bit too long at 5.? megs.

Also, I'm hoping to explore using PD renderers on all the SGIs here
at school, and I was wondering about converting between Imagine,
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or DKBtrace, or whatever.  If any of you have experience in doing
cross-platform rendering, especially using scripting for motion
control and using PD renderers, please mail me.

Also, is it possible to convert Imagine objects into ascii files??
I'm not a programmer yet, so I'm hoping there is a tool that will
allow me to convert objects without writing a C program to do it.
(Kinda like the ISL - but for objects)

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P.S.  just wait till I finish this really cool X-Wing model I'm
      making - I'm measuring a styrene model with a micrometer,
      and putting in all the detail I can.  Pretty soon, I hope
      to demonstrate that the Enterprise 1701D would be absolutely
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> Hi all
> I know this info has been posted many times before, but I'm wondering
> what would be a good anim player for an A500 with a hard drive and
> 4.5 Megs ram - no accellerator.  I'd like to take a look at that
> windmill anim, but it'd be a bit too long at 5.? megs.

VT will work just fine.  That anim is only 1.2 megs or so, and is
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> Also, I'm hoping to explore using PD renderers on all the SGIs here
> at school, and I was wondering about converting between Imagine,
> Wavefront, and something PD like Rayshade, or Raydance, or Radiance,
> or DKBtrace, or whatever.  If any of you have experience in doing
> cross-platform rendering, especially using scripting for motion
> control and using PD renderers, please mail me.

I use SGI's in my animation class and at work (just Wavefront, tho'),
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and I've done a few object ports.  From my experience, converting
between Imagine and Wavefront takes a little work.  First of all,
nothing but the vertex and face data will convert.  Secondly, there's
a bug in Pixel 3D Pro and older Vertex's (the author told me it's
been fixed now) that causes any translated objects to be turned
inside-out.  This is because the in/out planes that Imagine and
Wavefront use have opposite signs.  I wrote a small program that
should be on aminet to fix the Wavefront file-- FixObj or FixVobj,
something like that.  It'll correctly swap the signs, and also
takes care of another bug in P3DPro that adds a LF character to the
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how well John Foust's converter works, but judging from his, err,
confidence in his product over all others, it probably works
perfectly. :)
>
> Also, is it possible to convert Imagine objects into ascii files??
> I'm not a programmer yet, so I'm hoping there is a tool that will
> allow me to convert objects without writing a C program to do it.
> (Kinda like the ISL - but for objects)

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Look for Glenn Lewis's T3D package.  It should be what you need,
although there is no direct Wavefront converter (yet?)  It shouldn't
be too hard to write, but he's probably too busy with Essence. :)
>

> Thanks for any help
> Scott Krehbiel
>
> P.S.  just wait till I finish this really cool X-Wing model I'm
>       making - I'm measuring a styrene model with a micrometer,
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>       to demonstrate that the Enterprise 1701D would be absolutely
>       NO MATCH for a Star Destroyer.
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Enterprise.. :)
>
>
>

Dan
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>>>>> "Dan" == Daniel Jr Murrell <[e-mail]> writes:

>>  Also, is it possible to convert Imagine objects into ascii files??
>> I'm not a programmer yet, so I'm hoping there is a tool that will
>> allow me to convert objects without writing a C program to do it.
>> (Kinda like the ISL - but for objects)

Dan> Look for Glenn Lewis's T3D package.  It should be what you need,
Dan> although there is no direct Wavefront converter (yet?)  It
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Dan> Essence. :)

        Actually, I am just now adding tddd2r3d (Real3D), because a
few people have asked for it.  I haven't looked at the Wavefront
format, but I'll at least take a look at it before releasing R40 of
T3DLIB.
        While I'm here, please don't anybody spread R38... it is
busted.  Get R39 (there is one known bug in MBB... doesn't calculate
center or size correctly, but gives the MBB correctly so you can
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>Good anim player for A500, etc...

Well, try getting the MainActor1.15 demo. It allows playback (save
disabled) at very good speeds. But, since you want to look at
the Windmill anim, try either RTAP (Sebastiano Vigna) or BigAnim,
which can be found on Aminet. BigAnim is more recent of the
direct-from-hard-drive players, so try that....

>Cross platform rendering...

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Ok... We have Rayshade 4.0.6 compiled for our SGI's and here are
your options:

1) Try Glenn Lewis's T3D libraries/converters. They can read
   Imagine 2.0 binary objects and output to: .dxf, .nff, .pov
   .ray, .mif, .off, .ps and .vort formats... I've only used
   the .ray for rayshade (and the .ps for a cute triview in
   Postscript format.) This package will obviously convert
   Imagine objects to ASCII too... Personally, I used it to
   import atomic coordinates for rendering in Imagine.. :)
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2) I think Vertex (the latest demo is also on Aminet) allows
   for direct saving in Rayshade format. Some other formats
   too, if I remember....

Personally, I'd go with T3D lib... If you convert HUGE objects,
I suggest pumping up the stack size to.. oh 50000 bytes and up.
I remember loading up a very large protein that required a
stack of 100000 or my machine would crash and burn. :)

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OK, I don't have an Amiga (I was a dummy, I wasn't breast-fed long enough
or something, whatever).  I have the Imagine for PC and want to run
animation from my 1 GB hardrive through a NTSC convertor/encoder to a tape
drive.  Besides asking Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy for an Amiga 4000,
what can I try to do this?  Does anyone know of anyone working on this?

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This T3Dlib...  Can I use it to make my own objects and import them into
Imagine, such as a 3D graph or something?
Where can I find it?

Thanks!

 --Ross Knepper

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>       The projected availability of large hard drives being made
>       available to DPS is around January or later.  DPS will then need
>       the time to certify the drive.  5 to 6 months seems to be the
>       current expected time frame.

So that means that a new "large" drive will be confirmed sometime in May or
June.  That seems to be a lot of time unless further developement is involved.
I was always given the impression that if it was a quick enough IDE drive and
supported "DMA" which some IDEs do (3600A) and some don't (HP 223x), then it
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Five to Six months is a long time, and my current drive's animation portion
is constantly full and anims are moved off temporarily for new ones to be
created.

What might be interesting is some DPS software that processes the frames as
is normally done, but saves the frames or anim files to might be interesting is some DPS software that processes the frames as
is normally doneen
when you needed to play it back you could copy it over at your leasure.

Until then you could always get one of the drives I was offering, and be
sure to mention where you can find them cheaper and I will try and do something
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>>>>> On 17 Sep 93 20:39:00 EST, "Ross Knepper" <[e-mail]> said:

Ross> This T3Dlib...  Can I use it to make my own objects and import them into
Ross> Imagine, such as a 3D graph or something?
Ross> Where can I find it?
Ross> Thanks!

        Yes you can.  I believe it should be on ftp.wustl.edu, but
haven't checked in a long while... you must get R39, though.  Don't
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        One word of caution is probably in order... although the
T3DLIB package comes with a number of useful utilities for
manipulating objects and converting them to/from ASCII text for easy
manual or algorithmic manipulation, if you want to delve into making
objects or scenes from scratch, you may want to have some programming
experience in any language (preferably C) that can read/write ASCII
files.  If you wish to link directly with the t3d.lib SAS/C library,
then of course, you need SAS/C or you can remake the library with
whatever compiler on whatever machine.  But you can still do
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interesting things without being a programmer, and I've even included
documentation on the utilities in the last release.  :-)

        Oh, and I've heard of a lot of people copying "t3d.lib" to
"LIBS:t3d.library"... there is no need... it is for linking only... it
is not a dynamic shared library.  :-)

        One more thing...  there are several really nice companion
programs available that compliment T3DLIB quite nicely, even if they
don't interface directly to it.  But the following will give you a
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nice arsenal of utilities for your creative endeavors.  All are either
PD or Shareware...  (please forgive me, authors, if I forget to
mention all)  But check out Vertex, ISL, ICoons, IgenSurf, hmmm... I
know there are more... those are on the top of my mind right now.

        Enough babbling.  Enjoy.
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>
>>
>> ps. I've started an animation sig on the local freenet system. It's not
>> really running up to snuff yet but comments would be appreciated. Anyone
>> with telnet can join ;-). Address is in the sig (ua197).
>>
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>
>       [e-mail]


     Just telnet to freenet.victoria.bc.ca and login as "guest". You won't
have write privvies until you send a letter to the organization (just like
CWRU's freenet) but at least it's free. I'll be posting as many faq's and
related material as I can get my hands on (which, admittedly, isn't much
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on an island in the north pacific), something along the lines of a small
resourse group. No files yet but I'm negotiating with an internet
connected facility for a little room.

                                        Christopher

ps. If anyone has any faq's, animation tips, lists of refrences etc that
might be useful (this SIG is non-system specific and supports traditional
animation as well), PLEASE, PLEASE (enough begging) let me know where I
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With Impulse denying the "won't be out till October" rumor, or maybe that's a
rumor too..  I dunno..  The point is...

Is Imagine v3.0 about to be released?  With October only 12 days away and all
you'd think someone might know a firm date or something?  Anyone?

Carmen Rizzolo - Crazed Artist
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I want to buy Imagine PC soon.  I've heard about the $200 offer if you've
some animation software; in my case, Deluxe Paint Animator.  Is this offer
still valid?

Any how about Impulse's upgrade policy?  Can I get a free upgrade, having
bought the product so close to 3.0's release?  Or should I wait?

thanks.

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So, has anyone come up with a good value(s) for good looking silver?
I have been trying to do this, but have had no luck so far.:(

Also, wanting to make a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took cycleman,
Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same # of points,
faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them together..
Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy suggestions??

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to give that part up.  ANd I have Steve Worley's Understanding Imagine
2 manual, but alas, I haven't read it completely..  So, could someone
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Well, I know for a fact that it has passed the Beta testing stage (a
friend was doing some beta testing for Mike Halvorson).  This was about
a month ago, so the release time is unknown.

HOWEVER, Mike has stated plain and clearly that Imagine 3.0 will NOT
support Essence textures.  They are/have expanded their own texture
library to make up for this, but I can't see them beating Steve Worley's
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MESSAGE PASSED ALONG FOR PAUL THOMPSON:

Hi Steve!  Got an idea for an essence texture...actually, a variant on
the Burnish texture.  It would be nice (and true to form) if there was a
radial variation.  More and more I'm noticing circular metal (mostly
stainless steel) items and the burnish is circular.  Any chance this can
make it into some update or a future release?

Putting together some neat attribute files for you.  Send 'em to you
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Hello Rosario Salfi,
>
> Well, I know for a fact that it has passed the Beta testing stage (a
> friend was doing some beta testing for Mike Halvorson).  This was about
> a month ago, so the release time is unknown.
>
> HOWEVER, Mike has stated plain and clearly that Imagine 3.0 will NOT
> support Essence textures.  They are/have expanded their own texture
> library to make up for this, but I can't see them beating Steve Worley's
> work...which causes me distress to say the least.
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I am sure that the geniuses at Apex will simply port Essence to the
new version.

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Well, my answer to "is Imagine 3.0 ready yet?" was "No, we're still
programming it..." in a rather annoyed sounding voice (I'm sure I was
about the 354 caller that week to ask the same question).  So, although
this isn't any help as to when it'll be released, it's just typical
Impulse for you.  When they mentioned that Imagine 3.0 was supposed to be
out in the summer, the first thing I said to myself was "Okay, knowing
Impulse, that'll be more like Novemeber..." I might not be too far off.
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So, has anyone come up with a good value(s) for good looking silver?
I have been trying to do this, but have had no luck so far.:(

Also, wanting to make a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took cycleman,
Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same # of points,
faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them together..
Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy suggestions??

One last thing, I keep hearing mention of "Imagine Units", what
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2 manual, but alas, I haven't read it completely..  So, could someone
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Hi!

I would like to write an ImagineObject to MyOwnObjectFormat convertor, so I
need to know the file format of Imagine object files. Can you help me?
(for both PC and Amiga versions if possible please)

                                               Arijan

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> HOWEVER, Mike has stated plain and clearly that Imagine 3.0 will NOT
> support Essence textures.  They are/have expanded their own texture

That would be a bad move on their part - I really can't see them
matching all of Essence I and II with their own textures.  And even if
they do, there are lots of old projects which I would no longer be able
to render unless I changed all the textures to new ones.  Perhaps
Essence owners should all write to Impulse and say, "Hey, look, if you
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means we simply won't upgrade to 3.0 until there is a version of Essence
that works.  This takes money out of your pocketbook, so you might want
to re-think your position a little."  If we do that, perhaps it'll have
an effect on 4.0.  Really, "upgrading" to a version of Imagine without
Essence, no matter what nifty features they add, is going to be a big
step backwards.  I'm not sure if Impulse realizes this, but that _is_
enough to stop me from upgrading.

Of course, it remains to be seen whether the above is true.  Maybe we'll
luck out and the Essence textures will continue to work.  The last
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(such as the ability to load more than 4 of each without having to mess
with grouped axis), but I suppose it is an open question whether these
changes will break old textures.

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On Sat, 18 Sep 1993, Jeff Saffold wrote:
>
> Also, wanting to make a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took cycleman,
> Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same # of points,
> faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them together..
> Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy suggestions??
>
You need to make several intermediate objects.  Straight morphing from a
flat floor plane to a standing Cycleman figure means that the tip of the
left little finger, for instance, will follow a straight-line path from
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amorphous blob, where the main body extrudes up out of the center of the
floor, THEN extrudes the arms and head.  Making these intermdiate objects
is tedious, but the only way I know to get good-looking organic morphs.

The easiest way I've found for making them is to push the Cycleman parts
around using the Magnetism function, with a radius of about 1/10 the height
of the figure.  Push the hand back into the forearm, the forearm back into
the upper arm, the arm back into the shoulder, etc., until you finally
push the entire compressed torso down through the ankles (which should be
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> One last thing, I keep hearing mention of "Imagine Units", what
> exactly is that?  After reading a bit in the Imagine manual, I decided
> to give that part up.  ANd I have Steve Worley's Understanding Imagine
> 2 manual, but alas, I haven't read it completely..  So, could someone
> please enlighten me??
>
Arbitrary units.  I usually make objects at the scale 1 Imagine unit=1
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>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Saffold <[e-mail]> writes:

Jeff> Also, wanting to make a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took
Jeff> cycleman, Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same #
Jeff> of points, faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them
Jeff> together..  Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy
Jeff> suggestions??

        What you need to do is have two objects with the exact same
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hierarchy.  All edges correspond to each other, and all faces
correspond to each other.  The only way I know to achieve this is to
copy the original object to another, and modify the second object to
make the final version.  If I'm not mistaken, there are some programs
out there that will help you with this, such as Morphus (I hear), and
T3DLIB (I wrote).
        I haven't tried this with a cycle object, but flattened a rook
and also made a sphere out of the rook, and the new objects looked
fine, but I actually haven't tried morphing them.  (I recently posted
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>>>>> "Arijan" == Arijan Siska writes:

Arijan> Hi!  I would like to write an ImagineObject to
Arijan> MyOwnObjectFormat convertor, so I need to know the file format
Arijan> of Imagine object files. Can you help me?  (for both PC and
Arijan> Amiga versions if possible please)

        Sure.  Check out T3DLIB (formerly known as TTDDDLIB), and make
sure you get revision R39.  Actually, people have told me that they
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and I'll e-mail you the source and the Amiga executables.

        A number of converters already exist, and a document is
included that describes the TDDD format, and the library itself
(T3D.LIB) allows your programs to simply link into it (using SAS/C, or
you can rebuild the library on any platform/compiler combination), and
automatically you have all of the conversion capabilities included in
the package available to your own C code...  Simply load in an Imagine
object, and then you can traverse the structures to write out your
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>>>>> "David" == David A Rollins <[e-mail]> writes:

David> Hello Rosario Salfi,
>> HOWEVER, Mike has stated plain and clearly that Imagine 3.0 will
>> NOT support Essence textures.  They are/have expanded their own
>> texture library to make up for this, but I can't see them beating
>> Steve Worley's work...which causes me distress to say the least.

David> I am sure that the geniuses at Apex will simply port Essence to
David> the new version.
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David> Any comments from the guys at Apex?

        Well, Steve and Charles are the geniuses (:-), but I can tell
you for a fact that we have not yet received any information about the
3.0 textures either.  So I guess we all will just have to wait and see
what gets delivered.
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On Mon, 20 Sep 1993, Glenn M. Lewis - ICD ~ wrote:

> T3DLIB is shareware, by the way, authored by myself.

I've seen the package on WU archives, but not sure what version.  I was
wondering if it is machine independent?  I mean, is it just for use with
the Imagine Amiga or will it work for Imagine PC.  I am accustomed to
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>>>>> "Cliff" == Cliff Lee <[e-mail]> writes:

Cliff> On Mon, 20 Sep 1993, Glenn M. Lewis - ICD ~ wrote:
>> T3DLIB is shareware, by the way, authored by myself.

Cliff> I've seen the package on WU archives, but not sure what
Cliff> version.  I was wondering if it is machine independent?  I
Cliff> mean, is it just for use with the Imagine Amiga or will it work
Cliff> for Imagine PC.  I am accustomed to editing scripts (VIVID and
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Cliff> modeling to make the models.  I am not a C-programmer so
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Cliff> Cliff Lee [e-mail]

        Well, it *is* machine independent, if you can get it compiled
on the machine in question.  :-)

        I actually use T3DLIB quite frequently on a UNIX box, and I
know it compiles on a lot of different machines.  I have not heard,
yet, of someone compiling it successfully on a PC, although there is
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>>>>> "> Siderean" == Siderean  <[e-mail]> writes:

>> If indead Essence I andlII textures do not function with
>> Imagine 3.0, I am sure that it is because of the increased
>> flexibility and functionality that the 3.0 texture format
>> brings.  Impulse has stated that when "things are set in
>> stone" that they will share all file formats with anyone
>> who asks for them.  I would assume that Apex is included
>> in that "curious" group, and I'm sure that those of us
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>> option as well.  Some sacrifice is almost alwayso
>> neccessary if advances are to be made (look at KS 1.3 to
>> 2.04)

        OK, I have heard this argument a couple of tioes now on the
IML, and have remained silent in the past.  But I'm afraid that I must
speak out, or I will go insane.  :-)

o       As a programmer (and one who knows the internal structure of
Imagine textures), I feel that there is no reason to not support the
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        To those who don't know (and this is key information to my
argument...), umpulse had the foresight to embed a revision number in
the textures so that Imagine can first check the revision number to
make sure that they are the textures revision that it expects to find.
This is how we simultaneously support three different renderer with
Essence I&II... if the renderer says that it is Turbo Silver, we move
things around a big and say "Sure, we can support you, Turbo Silver."
Same for Imagine 0.9-1.1.  Same for Imagine 2.0.
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        Now, back to the "as a programmer" part, there is no reason
why the renderer can't do the same thing...  First, attempt to check
if the texture supports the new-whizbang-maybe-better-3.0-version of
textures.  If not, then check if the texture supports Imagine 2.0
version of the textures (EssenceI&II, for example).  If the texture
returns "Yes", then go ahead and use it as a 2.0 texture.

        The only reason not to do this is that it might be a bit more
work, and it may increase the renderer's exacutable size by a few
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        OK, I've said my peace.  If I were writing the renderer, I
would support previous texture versions.  But since I'm not, well, you
get the picture.

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Before we all fly off the handle and begin to boycott Impulse, we
should take a look at what 3.0 has to offer.

Does the new texture system offer a _significant_ technological increase
over the existing one? What I mean is, did Impulse change their texture
format for the sake of improving the entire texture system, or did they do
it just to make it so Essence doesn't work?

If the change was to make an improvement in the overall functionality of
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If the new system has no improvement over the old system, and the change
was some self-motivated B.S, then I will stick with 2.0 and consider
getting Real3D and/or LightRave-Lightwave3D.

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If indead Essence I and II textures do not function with Imagine 3.0, I am
sure that it is because of the increased flexibility and functionality that
the 3.0 texture format brings.  Impulse has stated that when "things are set
in stone" that they will share all file formats with anyone who asks for them.
I would assume that Apex is included in that "curious" group, and I'm sure
that those of us with some programing talent will wish to explore this option
as well.  Some sacrifice is almost always neccessary if advances are to be
made (look at KS 1.3 to 2.04)

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Hello;
        I found t3dlib several versions on wuarchive.wustl.edu
the path IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY... is tystems/amiga/boing/video/converters

                        Good Luck
                        Lesk
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> >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Saffold <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Jeff> Also, wanting tocmake a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took
> Jeff> cycleman, Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same #
> Jeff> of points, faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them
> Jeff> together..  Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy
> Jeff> suggestions??
>

Maybe this idea is way too simplistic to work well, or
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it might not result in the desired affect b t ...
how about morphing the cycleman object's Z scale, so that
his height (only) shrinks down to nearly nothing?
If his ax s is at ground level, he should shrink properly,
but not smoothly spread out into a plane.

Then again, I haven't actually  een the movie (T2) myself, sorry to say.

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Yeah.  For that terminator 2 effect, take your human figure, put the
     o  axis at it's feet, save it, and then scale him in z so it's flat.
        When you morph this, all the points correspond properly.  The
        problem is, it's a linear morph so it won't look quite natural.
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        Since several people have been asking lately where it is,
and Charles found it for me (thanks, Charles!), I thought I would
share this info with the IML:
                                                -- Glenn
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        T3DLIB R39 may be found in the boing directory tree on ftp.wustl.edu,
parallel the aminet tree, under video/utils.  The full path is something like
systems/amiga/boing/video/utils.  Aminet is systems/amiga/aminet.
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> the Burnish texture.  It would be nice (and true to form) if there was a
> radial variation.  More and more I'm noticing circular metal (mostly
> stainless steel) items and the burnish is circular...

If you meaa what I think you mean, this is just a trick of the light.
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Hello... I was wondering how I could create a smooth surfaced, FILLED
semi-sphere WITHOUT losing the SHARP circular edge.

I was trying turning the phong on and off and all that, but I can't
figure it out!!  When I turn the phong on, it looks very rounded and smooth
but I'd lose the SHARP cross-section edge.

Any solution to this??

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Mike> Sure, that's great for Amiga users.  How about a PC version of
Mike> T3DLIB, or failing that, the originally requested file format
Mike> info?  Us PC guys just want to have fun...  What about a PC
Mike> version of Essence?  Are we waiting for 3.0?

        Whups... my apologies...  I was highly confident that my
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        Since it is lorge-ish, whoever would like it, just send me
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To solve your problem use the functions MAKE SHARP on the circularoedge
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  There IS a type of metal finish that is made of circles (typically all the-me diamthought the diameter depends on the scale of the object) that
are polished or ground (burnished?) into the surface. The circles overlap to
some extent to ensure that all the surface is covered. I remember a tip from
one of my home shop books saying that end down) could be used to make this effect on small objects very
nicely. Can't remember what the finish is called, though. I believe the idea is
that it doesn't show fingerprints, etc., although it is attractive in itself.

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1) I use that solution with Imagine 1, has it had not the:feature included with
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>Hello... I was wondering how I could create a smooth surfaced, FILLED
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>
>I was trying turning the phong on and off and all that, but I can't
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Idn't realize there were 2 or more...
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stating that Impulse did not feel pressure to release 3.0.

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can really concentrate on one's work, I find that having a "no pressure"
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        Yes, I am familiar with these products... Essence I and
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produce an organic "randomly-tilieve me, you've never seen
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Wha , John hasn't replied yet? :)

I'm not sure, but I think that Interchange can convert Pro Draw files.
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>If Impulse continually feels that tpressure" isn't something that they
>need to address, then I predict Impulse will not have as many of their
>customers coming back for an upgrade that had bse. Until I see a product from them I really
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> D> Well, every single help I can get is appreciated!!
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> This is ogly helpful if you know someone with either Aladdin 4D (or Draw
> 4D Pro): they import EPS files (from ProDraw, ProVector, and Art
> Expressions) and these co(VideoScape ASCII files -- Lightwave imports them; I
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>I necd best possible quality and oftan take up
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>  *How can I trace with good result with PixPRO (requires LOTS of
>ficdling?!)
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that there are two sets of x-
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I'm new here on IML and I have a question...

  * Is it taboo (correet spelling?) to discuss and compare Imagine to
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I haven't been doing much with Imagine (or anything Amiga-related)
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       sport or occupation ofgine.  I
understand your point, it isn't up to snuff with some high end stuff but....
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a video camera, Dpaint and DCTV.

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because it tricks the eye into thinking the image resembles the surroundina
area.. It is called environ liqui-metal terminator. In fact, if you look at
individual frames (get the video on your vcr, and try to freeze frames...
my do it) where the t2000 (the liqui-metalic terminator)
takes over that helicopter (at the end of the movie). Try to increment fnsionally correct..

It fools your eye, I suspect for the same reason any motion picture
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I have this super-cool an mation that I made in deluxe what is so super about DP3),
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>Does the new texture systeme? What I mean is, did Impulse change their texture
>format for the sake of improving the entire texture system, or did they do
>it just to make it so Essence doesn't work?

You don't cut off the folks that make your sof ware more useful.
If you do, it is like cutting your limbs off one by one. Knowing how
Impulse runs things they might accidently amputate things, but
I'd see it as a seriously bad business decision to make a new piece of
software just to cut some other developer off from making ey said in thier newsletter it looks like
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"is it better working, less fixed, more dynamic, modularized,
robust". It seems like, from what I remember it saying, that they did
do this (tance, they said that the attributes panel would be split up into
different parts for textures, surface definition, etc. If the individual
parts are seperate modularized entities then it is a good design. Easier
to test, easier to modify, it is the waes, objects,
frames per animation. Why? They were probably using fixed
data structures before... It probably had something to do with
the operating system too. I don't know, but it makes you wonder
what kinda of tricks they were having to perform with previous
versions of Imagine. They probably converted everything from C to C++,
that would be an easy explanation since that is what a lot of
developers and prgrammers are changing to right now (including me,
and C++ is a big jump in terms of thinking... it reminds me a little
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thaC, it also lets you write simpler
looking code than the complex stuff you see in C [though, C++ is C
compatible, there is no.

>If the new system has no improvement over the old system, and the change
>was some self-motivated B.S, then I will stick with 2.0 and consider
>getting Real3D and/or LightRave-Lightwave3D.

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we could take it to the supreme court.. I don't know, maybe?
They are probably taking money via mail, so they can make a huge
pile of money to fund these changes that they talked about.
Either that or they are in debt for all the firecracker's that they
made, and owe some money. They probably made a deal with the MOB.

3. They are probably buying themselves a vacation to hawaii to surf all winter
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6. Lending money to Micahel Jackson to pay his attorney(s)'s fee(s).

South Africa.

8. Help La Posada add about 20 more menu items to thier menu (very very
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9. Secretly they are buying up Commodore stock to eventual takeover.

10. They are doing nothing with the money but making ring a staff of operators to answer calls and tell
    thier customers that "Imagine 3.0" is not ready yet.

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I have been trying to work out which monitor wouls suit my A4000 the best.
I have thought of NEC 3D, but it may not be the best. I'm using a friend's
right now, and I'm getting 1-1.5 cm black borders on each side and that's with
VGA driver (+ DBLPAL mode). If I dn't have the VGA driver active, then my
active area is even smaller (not just black borders, but even some screen
are on the left side). I am using the latest monitor drivers.

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first time through due to the Imagine bug that creates a halo around partially
transparent is a logo extruded to a length of 1000 units,
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at the time.  Come to think of it, the behavior was exactly the same - the
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way, but you nee
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1. Create a sphere.  Doesn't have to be an incredible number of faces,
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        1. Create a sphere.  Doesn't have to be an incredible number of faces,
        just enough to do the trick.  Make this sphere HUGE...I usually use
        about 10000 to 50000 units.  Yes, I'm serious!

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        3. Render!

        Really, it works nicely.  You actually get a variety of shades of the
        original star colour you chose in the Polkadots texture, due to the
        antialiasing.  It doesn't slow down rendering (much) and it gives you
        the effect you're looking for.

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This makes beautiful still pictures.  However, I have not been able to make
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I contributed one object to the project and therefore I want to
ask for status of the project.
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> a way to specify a custom resolution. Sure, I can render to High Resolution
> and batch-scale the files down, but a custom resolution would be a far
> better solution. Mark? Allen? Anyone?

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>and ask them to release Imagine 3 version for this transputer board.

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week by a representative of the company, who had some interesting
additions to the official announcement.  I asked about the 60get price would be in the neighborhood of
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        What you need to do is have two objects with the exact same
>topology... all points correspond to each other, in the same grouped
>hierarchy.  All edges correspond to each other, and all faces
>correspond to each other.  The only way I know to achieve this is to
>copy the original object to another, and modify the second object to
>make the final version.  If I'm not mistaken, there are some programs
>out there that will help you with this, such as Morphus (I hear), and
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+======================================================================+
|                         Imagine Mailing List                         |
|                      FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS                      |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                             Compiled By                              |
|                           Michael B. Comet                           |
|                                           |
|                            Mark Oldfield                             |
|                             Dave oe============================================================+

        This is the Frequently Asked Questions posting for the Imagine
Mailing list.  This posting is sent every so often to answer general
questions that users of the 3D rendering software, Imagine by Impulse
Inc. may have.  It is aimed toward all users, especially newcomers to
the program.

        If you find any errors or have answers to other frequently asked
questions that you would like to have included in this posting, please
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send e-mail to: [e-mail] (FAQ List).

        - Mike C.

======================================= Support Products/Sites
         1] Imagine related: References/Help Books/Magzines/ftp sites.
         2] How do I reach Impu Ss ex of Refractions
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         7] How do you make mirrors?
         8] How do I make "metals" and what are some good gommand?

    SECTION 3 - Forms Editor
         1] After a Forms Editor object is loaded into the Detail Editor
            anad hfrt speed!) while
            following a path?
         5] When I move a Tracked Camera in the STAGE editor, it doesn't
      ctive view correctly!
         6] When I increase the number of frames in an animation I find
            my scene gets mangle      1] Why do objects render fine in Scanline, but disappear in
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            Trace?
         2] I have a problem weGt when animated, they have
            the "crawly" effect.
         4] What situations, parameters, attribute values, etc. require
            the most trace rendering time?
         5] How do I get rid of the "Jaggies?"
         6] How can I figure out pixel aspect for a given resolution?
         7] When making a disco ball effect, will a SPHERICAL light set
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  iga 3000/25? Is 4.5 hrs
            too much?
         9] Is there any particular format that Imagine prefers?  Ham?
            32 Color?  EHB?  24 bit 1000 x 1000?
        10] I would like to use conical light sources with my rendering,
            is there anyway "see" in wireframe where the light will fall?
        11] How important is lighting for a rendering, and is there any
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            "preset" method used to get good results?

    SECTION 7 - Essence Settings
         1] Electrical Arc
         2] Veined Marble
         3] Rough marble/rock

    SECTION 8 - Miscellaneous
         1] What the heck is BTW, IMO and other weird abbreviations...
         2] Rendering and refresh times are MUCH too slow, even with an
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            accelerator. Are there any Basic tricks or hints to help?
         3] How long will before my renderings aren't ugly anymore?

    CLOSING - Closing statements and Disclaimer

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                   SECTION 1 - Support Products/Sites
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1] Imagine related: References/Help Books/Magzines/ftp sites.
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  REFERENCES AND HELP BOOKS:

    "Imagine 2.0 User Manual", Impulse Inc, 1992.
                   (Yes....read the manual!)

    "The Imagine Companion", David Duberman, Motion Blur Publishing,
         1991

    "Understanding Imagine 2.0", Steven Worley, Apex Software
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         Publishing, 1992.

  MAGAZINES:

    These are some good graphics magazines, most of which focus on the
Amiga computer.  If anyone has some other suggestions please post them
to the FAQ list!

        "Computer Graphics World"
        P.O Box 122
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        Tulsa, OK 74101-9845
        (800) 443 - 6632
        (918) 835 - 3161 ext. 400
        (918) 831 - 9497 (FAX)
                (A general computer graphics magazine focusing on the
        latest technology from PC's to SGI's)

        "Amiga World"
        P.O Box 595
        Mt Morris, IL 61054-7900
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        (800) 827 - 0877
        (815) 734 - 1109
                (A general Amiga computer magazine, focusing on both
        hardware, software, utilities and graphics)

        "Amiga Video/Graphics Magazine"  (formerly AVID)
        365 Victor Street
        Suite "H"
        Salinas, CA 93907
        (408) 758 - 9386
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        (408) 758 - 1744 (FAX)
                (A general Amiga computer magazine, focusing on both
        hardware, software, utilities and graphics)

        "Amazing Computing for the Commodore Amiga" aka "Amazing Amiga"
        P.O. Box 2140
        Fall River, MA 02722-9969 USA
        (508) 678 - 4200
        (800) 345 - 3360
        (508) 675 - 6002 (FAX)
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              (A general Amiga computer magazine, focusing more on how
        to, hints and tips, programming, reviews of software and
        hardware(less ads and more meat than AW))

        "Video Toaster User"
        21611 Stevens Creek Blvd.
        Cupertino, CA 95014
        (800) 322 - 2834
                (A magazine focusing specifically on NewTeks Video
        Toaster device.  Nothing related to Imagine, but some more neat
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        pictures to look at!)

  FTP SITES:

        There is now a new ftp site set up for Imagine related items
including pictures, animations, tutorials, objects, and help files such
as previous postings from the list, and this FAQ at:

        wuarchive.wustl.edu
        in the  /systems/amiga/boing/video/imagine
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        Under this directory are the following sub-directories:
                art
                archive
                anims
                objects

        Note:  New files cannot be sent directly here.  Instead send
any new files you wish to upload into the same directory:

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        /systems/amiga/boing/incoming/imagine

        Files here will/should eventually get moved to the proper
location by the ftp site administrator.  Don't forget to send a text
file explaining the data you uploaded.

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2] How do I reach Impulse?

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    Impulse Inc.
    8416 Xerxes ave. North
    Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55444
    USA

    [phone]
    [phone]
    FAX: [phone]

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3] What is the Imagine Mailing List and how to get it

    (From the Imagine Mailing List Sysop, Dave Wickard)

        The Imagine Mailing List is a wide variety of Amiga computer
artists sharing friendship and knowledge. The main thrust of the List is
the Imagine renderer. Subjects discussed though have varied widely.
There are discussions of Imagine and it's competitors, Imagine wish
lists for future versions, 3D rendering principles in general, single
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frame recording techniques and many more.

        With first day users thru battled scarred veterans  :-)  there
is someone at your level of knowledge on the List. We are always glad to
see questions from every level of user. So often a simple and seemingly
embarrassingly easy question will lead to an interesting comment on a
related topic.

    New products, both hardware AND software, are discussed as to their
relationship with Imagine and Amiga 3D rendering.
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    Names of Amiga luminaries dot the list, and often join in to lend
their insights without the usual "noise" of a USENET newsgroup.

    There are over 300 individual sites receiving the Imagine Mailing
List, and they include many networks, BBS systems, user groups, and
individual computer artists from literally around the globe.  We share
one thing.  Interest in each other's work with Imagine.

    YOU can get the Imagine Mailing List. All you need is access to
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Internet mail. Simply mail to the following address:

         [e-mail]

and in your subject line, enter the word "subscribe".

    If you are reading this from a Commercial System, ask the
Amiga Coordinator to set up an Imagine Mailing List area that
everyone can read.

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                  SECTION 2 - Modeling and Detail Editor
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1] How do I brushmap a ground plane?

    The problem with brushmapping a ground plane is that the ground
itself is off 90 degrees in relation to its' axis for proper brush
placement.  (Add a primitive plane, a ground and compare them).  The
following will properly set a ground wrap:
Command:

         1) Add a ground object, select it, go into attributes, select a
            brush to use.
         2) You will now be in a requestor for the type of brushmap and
            placement etc...
         3) Select TRANSFORM AXIS
         4) Click on ALIGNMENT and set X = -90.  Leave Y and Z at 0
         5) Click on SIZE and leave X = +640.  Set Y = +2, Z = +400
         6) Click on POSITION and Leave X = -320, Y = -200. Set Z = +1
         7) Click on PERFORM.
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         8) If you want the brushmap to repeat forever click REPEAT.
         9) Click OKAY.

        Your brushmap will now be placed correctly.  You can of course
resize it on the X/Z axis if you wish for scaling purposes.

        Basically step 4 re-rotated the brush axis properly and 5 and 6
fixed the size and position which Imagine screws up since it thinks it's
brushmapping on the other axis.

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2] How do I make glass?

        You can use the following Attribute setting for a default glass:

                   RED  GREEN  BLUE   VALUE
    COLOR          0    0      0      *
    REFLECT        0    0      0      *
    FILTER         255  255    255    *
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    SPECULAR       255  255    255    *
    DITHERING      *    *      *      255
    HARDNESS       *    *      *      255
    ROUGHNESS      *    *      *      0
    SHININESS      *    *      *      0     (Very important see below!)

    PHONG = ON
    INDEX = 1.50
    FOG LENGTH = 0.00

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    This should give you glass.

    One thing many people get confused by is:

         1) Shininess must be set to ZERO.  If you set this to anything
            but 0, the FILTER setting will not work.  This is just the
            way Imagine works since FILTER usage assumes shininess
            automatically.
         2) No background.  To get glass, you need surroundings.  If you
            render a glass cup on a pure black screen, you'll probably
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            just see the highlights.  Adding global colors for Scanline
            and Ray Trace will give your object something to refract.
         3) Ray Trace.  To get refraction of surrounding objects
            exactly, you need to Trace, though scanline WILL approximate
            refractivity.

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3] The Slice command doesn't work or gives me errors.

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    Due to the complexity of doing a 3D slice, sometimes Imagine gives
errors, or actually crashes during this operation.

    Things to do if you plan on using this function are:

         1) Save _ALL_ currently loaded object BEFORE trying to slice.
         2) If you get an error, move one of the objects slightly and
            try again.  Moving one of them may yield a working slice.

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4] I'm making a house which has many rooms and thus many walls, what is
    the best way of adding walls to the house so that they leave no
    cracks in the corners ?

        Three possible methods ---

        1. You can design your walls to be nice dimensions like 100
           or 1024 instead of 383.38. Place your axis at the corner
           of each wall. Then, to get seamless joints, use "snap to
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           grid" in the project editor which will instantly adjust
           your walls to a perfect fit (If wall lengths are multiples
           of the grid line spacing).

        2. Create a 2D outline of the floorplan and extrude it up.
           Then simply pop a ceiling and floor on it.  The floorplan
           could be created either in Imagine or even a paint program
           and then auto-traced.  This means you will have to bust up
           a few polygons to add the windows and doors, but that is a
           minor task if you have a complex floorplan.
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        3. A cheesy option is to make your walls too big. Then
          INTERSECT them. You get a mess BEHIND the wall, but if you
          don't look there, you'll never see it.


      wall 1           |
     ------------------+--
               \|/     |
      bug-eyed O.O     | wall 2
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        monster v
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                       |
      camera X

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5] When I select a group of points in the DETAIL editor, all I can do
   is drag them... it doesn't let me ROTATE or SCALE that clump of
   selected points.
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        Imagine will let you move selected points, as well as rotate
and scale them. The limitation is that you cannot do this interactively
in Version 1.1 or earlier by using the mouse: The Transform command does
the manipulation. The picked points can be translated, scaled, rotated,
and positioned INDEPENDENTLY of the rest of the object. Rotations and
scalings all use the object's axis a reference point.  Absolute
positioning will move the FIRST point you pick to the location you
choose, and the rest of the picked points will be translated an equal
amount.  Interactive dragging is accomplished using the "drag points"
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mode.

        Note: Versions 2.0 and later support interactive point editing.

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6] List of common Index of Refractions (and not so common too!)

         (All items except Vacuum are in alphabetical order)
         (STP = Standard Temperature and Pressure)
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         MATERIAL                      Index
         -------------------------------------
         Vacuum ...................... 1.00000 (exactly)

         Air (STP).................... 1.00029
         Acetone ..................... 1.36
         Alcohol ..................... 1.329
         Amorphous Selenium .......... 2.92
         Calspar1 .................... 1.66
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         Calspar2 .................... 1.486
         Carbon Disulfide ............ 1.63
         Chromium Oxide .............. 2.705
         Copper Oxide ................ 2.705
         Crown Glass ................. 1.52
         Crystal ..................... 2.00
         Diamond ..................... 2.417
         Emerald ..................... 1.57
         Ethyl Alcohol ............... 1.36
         Flourite .................... 1.434
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         Fused Quartz ................ 1.46
         Heaviest Flint Glass ........ 1.89
         Heavy Flint Glass ........... 1.65
         Glass ....................... 1.5
         Ice ......................... 1.309
         Iodine Crystal .............. 3.34
         Lapis Lazuli ................ 1.61
         Light Flint Glass ........... 1.575
         Liquid Carbon Dioxide ....... 1.20
         Polystyrene ................. 1.55
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         Quartz 1 .................... 1.644
         Quartz 2 .................... 1.553
         Ruby ........................ 1.77
         Sapphire .................... 1.77
         Sodium Chloride (Salt) 1 .... 1.544
         Sodium Chloride (Salt) 2 .... 1.644
         Sugar Solution (30%) ........ 1.38
         Sugar Solution (80%) ........ 1.49
         Topaz ....................... 1.61
         Water (20 C) ................ 1.333
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         Zinc Crown Glass ............ 1.517

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7] How do you make mirrors?

        The trick with mirrors (or especially chrome-like objects) is
not setting the attributes of the mirror correctly, but making sure that
the environment is set up so something will be reflected into the
camera.
Command:

        If a mirror is TOO reflective, the mirror can actually become
invisible!  This is because the mirror's own flat glass/metal flat
coloring is overwhelmed by all the reflected light.  You see a PERFECT
reflected image, so the object itself isn't shown.  This is especially
true with flat mirrors.

        Some attributes that give a nice mirror polish:

                       RED  GREEN  BLUE   VALUE
Command:
        COLOR          150  150    150    *
        REFLECT        200  200    210    *     (a bit of a blue tint)
        FILTER         0    0      0      *
        SPECULAR       255  255    255    *
        DITHERING      *    *      *      255
        HARDNESS       *    *      *      255
        ROUGHNESS      *    *      *      0
        SHININESS      *    *      *      0

        PHONG = ON
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        INDEX = 1.00
        FOG LENGTH = 0.00

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8] How do I make "metals" and what are some good gold attributes?

        One thing you can do to make your objects look more like metal
is to give them a specular setting close to the main color of the
object, but higher in intensity.  One mistake is to often make the
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specular a pure white.  This makes objects look more like plastic than
metal.  For example, if you are trying to make gold, don't make the
specular pure white, but try a bright yellow or yellow/orange creame
color.

        Another problem is that many metals reflect the world.  For
example a chrome ball is pretty much just a shiny mirror.  Thus, if you
want to make realistic metals you will need to at least simulate
reflection. This can be done by adding a global reflect map, doing a
true ray trace or even just setting sky colors in the stage editor.
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        You can use the following Attribute setting for a default gold:

                       RED  GREEN  BLUE   VALUE
        COLOR          205  205    80     *
        REFLECT        180  160    125    *
        FILTER         0    0      0      *
        SPECULAR       255  255    160    *
        DITHERING      *    *      *      255
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        HARDNESS       *    *      *      255
        ROUGHNESS      *    *      *      0
        SHININESS      *    *      *      0

        PHONG = ON
        INDEX = 1.00
        FOG LENGTH = 0.00

        This should give you something close to gold.  Note that the
reflect values are fairly high.  You may wish to lower them to see how
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it would look if you don't have anything to reflect etc...

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9] Is there a quick way to add faces to my object without using the
   Slice command?

        Here is a neat trick to add faces.  This method works best with
an object that is basially concave (such as a circle).

Command:
        1] Make the outline of your object, i.e.: points and edges.
        2] Extrude the object a distance away.
        3] Pick all the points that were just made...i.e.: The ones
           that now comprise the back face.  Using Bounding box
           selection would probably be helpful.
        4] Choose Join!
        5] Translate the now 1 pt back on the Y axis by the distance
           you extruded from, and position the point somewhere in the
           center of the object.

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        The object is now a solid faced object with all faces connected
to one point on the center, just like the primitive disk object.

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                       SECTION 3 - Forms Editor
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1] I was working in the forms editor on an object, and loaded it
    into the detail editor for modification.  However, I can't seem
    to be able to get it back into the forms editor!  Help!
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        Simply put, you cannot load objects saved from the detail editor
back into the forms editor.  The reason is the forms editor requires
a specified object structure which the detail does not.  Thus, saving
an object in the detail editor loses that information.

        When you work with the forms editor is recommended that you keep
a spare copy of the FORMS OBJECT saved separately from any detail
object. In this way you can then go back and make modifications in the
forms editor.
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                       SECTION 4 - Cycle Editor
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1] I made this really great animation sequence in the cycle editor,
    but when I set it up in the stage/action editors, the motion of
    the overall object isn't there!

        When using the cycle editor, Imagine only remembers changes in
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size, position, and so on in relation to the main parent.  Thus, if you
make a change to the parent object, it gets forgotten.  What this means
is if you make a nifty robot jumping cycle, and make it in the cycle
editor so the robot actually move up etc... all that will be remembered
is the changes to the legs, arms and anything OFF of the PARENT.  The
overall rotations and movements to the main object will be gone.

        Two solutions exist.  One is to simply make those changes in
the stage editor each time you need to.  The second is to group a plain
axis before you start to your object.  (ie: Make the parent have a Null
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link).  Then, you can rotate everything by rotating the main child
grouped right under this null axis.  This way you aren't moving the
"parent", and everything will be remembered.

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          SECTION 5 - Animation, Stage Editor and Action Editor
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1] Even though I move an Object/Camera/Light to a new
   POSITION/ALIGNMENT/SIZE in the STAGE editor, Imagine seems to
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   'forget' what I did!

    All objects must have timelines split wherever there is a change in
position, alignment or size.  If you do not set this up, Imagine will
forget the changes no matter what.

    Rather than going back and forth to the ACTION editor and adding
timelines, you can have Imagine automatically create the timelines
properly so everything tweens as normal.  There are the "Position Bar",
"Alignment Bar" and "Size Bar" commands under the OBJECT menu in the
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STAGE editor.

    So, if you have just gone to a frame and are making a new POSITION,
ALIGNMENT or SIZE for an object (or camera or light) to tween to, press
RIGHT AMIGA and 7/8/9 respectively.  Or use the respective bar commands
from the OBJECT menu.  This will extend or put a 'split' in the timeline
for you (you can check this in the ACTION editor).  Also, don't forget
to "Save Changes"if you want to keep the motion!

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2] How do I use the Grow Effect?

        To use the grow effect, create an object in the DETAIL editor
that you wish to have 'extrude' over time.  Create a spline path as
normal in the detail editor.  This will be the path the object extrudes
along during the animation.

    GROUP (not join) the object with the PATH AS THE PARENT.  If you do
not make the path the parent, it will not work.  To do this, select the
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path, then hold shift and select the object, then select group.  Save
your GROUP for loading in the animation.

    Finally, add the effect in the ACTION editor for the grouped object.

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3] How do I use the Tumble Effect?

    The tumble effect is used to tumble 1 or more objects during an
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animation.  To tumble an object, create your object or objects in the
DETAIL editor.  Still in the detail editor add an axis.

        Group (not join) the AXIS to all the objects you want to tumble
with the AXIS AS THE PARENT.  Then load the GROUP into the STAGE/ACTION
editor and add the effect as normal.

    NOTE: The reason for the null object (axis) as parent is that
Imagine does not TUMBLE the PARENT, just the children.

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4] How do you get something to roll (at the right speed!) while
   following a path?

        Getting an object to spin (like a plane doing a barrel roll) is
easy- you align to path, then set Y rotation to be from 0 to 360 and it
will do a complete spin. This is not in the right direction for a
rolling ball, though. [Annoying feature- you can't say from 0 to 720 for
two spins, or 0 to 3600 for ten.] To get it to roll I created a second
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path, which was basically a larger copy of the first, so the first path
was just inside of the second path. I had an axis (a track) follow this
new, outside path, then used "align to object" to make the sphere point
to the axis.

        Thus, as the ball moved along its path, one end (the positive Y
axis direction) was always pointed at right angles to the direction of
motion.  Is this clear? Now using the "initial Y angle" and "final Y
angle" I set them to 0 and 360 and it rotated as it rolled. As a special
effect, I raised the "track path" a little in the Z direction so the
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sphere looks a little bit like a top rolling around, since the spin axis
was not horizontal anymore.

        An alternative would be to make a cycle object, rolling around
the X axis.  This is equally valid, but I did it this way first.

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5] When I move a tracked Camera in the STAGE editor, it doesn't realign
   and draw the Perspective view correctly!
Command:

    If you have Imagine 2.0 or higher, press RIGHT AMIGA and the K key
together, or select "Camera (Re)track" from the OBJECT menu.  This will
make the camera repoint to the track from the new position and will
redraw the perspective view.

        If you have an older version of Imagine (or if you just want to)
you can press RIGHT AMIGA and the C key or select "Goto" from the FRAME
menu.  Go to the current frame you are already on which will cause
imagine to redraw everything.
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6] I have found that after creating a scene in the Stage editor, and
    then deciding that I want an animation and adjusting the highest
    frame count, my scene gets mangled in the first frame.  Why?

        Well, it seems to me that this will happen if you don't split
your channel bar from the first frame (where you want stuff to be
exactly) to the second frame. I usually setup my scenes so that I have
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the first frame all set as it should be and then I do my transformation
from frames 2-whatever. In this way, the first frame is ALWAYS where
it's suppose to be no matter what changes I make in the remaining
animation.  If you look at your channel it should have a break between
frames 1 and 2 and then be continuous (if that's the way your animation
works out) from 2 on.

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1] Why do objects render fine in Scanline, but disappear in Trace?

    There are 2 possible causes for this.
         1) You are running out of RAM
         2) You objects are outside of the World Boundary

    To check #1 (for the Amiga), pull down The Project editor after you
start a render during the initialization phase.  Click once on the
Workbench backdrop and you should see how much RAM you have on the top
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of the screen.  As Imagine starts to render, this will decrease.  If it
becomes close to 0, chances are, that's your problem.  To solve that,
buy more RAM.

    The other possibility is that the objects are outside of the world
boundary.  The world boundary is basically a box in which your objects
are placed.  When you enter the STAGE editor, you are placing objects in
this "virtual box" whose center is 0,0,0.

    When you Trace, Imagine clips ALL objects that fall outside of the
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box.  The size of the world boundary is set in the ACTION editor.  In
this editor, there should be an item named GLOBALS.  Whatever numbers
are set in the SIZE timeline becomes the size of the box so that it lies
from +/- Value for X,Y and Z.  The default is no information present,
which Imagine assumes is +/- 1024 units for all 3 coordinates.

        Thus to fix this problem you can:
         1) Scale your entire scene to fit inside the +/- 1024 size
            boundary
         2) Add a size line and set the X,Y,Z to the values you need
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            (This can be found by using "coordinates" in the STAGE
            editor and moving the cursor around to find the values)
         3) Add a size line and set the X,Y,Z sizes to 0,0,0.  This will
            force Imagine to calculate the world size for ALL frames
            based on where objects are for the FIRST frame.  This is
            important since if your objects move farther out during
            subsequent frames, you will have to set the size manually
            (see 2 above) since it will now be outside the computed
            boundary, and thus clipped.

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    Note: The world boundary has no effect in Scanline rendering.
    Note: Setting the World Size to 0,0,0 regardless of problems will
          usually DECREASE Trace times!

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2] I have a problem with Filtered objects and the Global Backdrop!

        For some reason, clear or glass like objects will not be clear
when used with a backdrop.  To get around this render with "genlock sky"
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and then use an image processing program to composite the rendered image
onto the background pic for each frame.  Fog objects have a similar
problem.

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3] I have created an animation (Hurrah!) and when I look at each of
    the individual frames, they look just as I thought they might.
    However, when I animate them, anywhere I have applied the
    "roughness" parameter, surfaces look animated...with lots of
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    "crawling" effect on them. What gives?

        Roughness should NOT be used on objects that will be animated.
(Unless of course, the "crawley" effect is what you're after). This is
caused by a bug in the roughness algorithm. One of the main work-arounds
suggested, is by using a very small or fine bump-map. Another work-
around is to create a DPaint (or for that matter ANY IFF) multi-gray
shaded screen and apply it as an altitude map.

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4] What situations, parameters, attribute values, etc. require the most
    trace rendering time?

        The list is long: reflections and refractions increase rendering
time significantly, anti-aliasing (0 longest)-BTW this you must edit in
the .config file and resolve depth (also in .config file), number of
polygons, camera position (obliqueness), size of brush maps and even the
numerical entries of solid textures, resolution, display and render
modes etc etc.
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        The big ones are refraction, edge level(antialiasing, reflection
(along with "depth") and #of polygons. Pretty well in that order too.
Remember that a higher refraction index is longer rendering time also.
And yes the scale of the object means a LOT. Imagine uses something
called an *Octree* to calculate the scene.  This is related to the world
size setting which is also discussed here in article number 1 above.
The difference can go from *hours* to minutes, so scale your scene by
the size you make your world.  You can select everything in the scene
(including camera and lights) and scale it interactively.
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5] How do I get rid of the "Jaggies?"

        The .config file for anti-aliasing defaults to 30. This is ok,
but not great. The best is 0 and final rendering should always be 0. So
you must edit this file every so often (before opening Im) or build a
front end on the work bench (requires programming knowledge, though).
BTW, the anti-aliasing is EDLE in .config file.
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        {for those unfamiliar with the term jaggies - they refer to the
way lines drawn by computers tend to haved a jagged or stair stepped
appearance, instead of a smooth continuous line.  This is usually found
more in low resolution images.}

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6] How do I figure out the pixel aspect for a certain resolution
    display?  I am rendering a picture to be displayed on a macII
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    at 1024x768.  Does anyone know the formula or is it device
    dependent?

        Pixel aspect ratio depends both on the aspect ratio of the
display device (your monitor) and the resolution that fits onto that
screen. Most monitors use a 4 x 3 aspect ratio so that to achieve square
1:1 pixels, the resolution must also be 4:3. 1024 x 768 will achieve
this as well as 640 x 480. The Amiga typically uses a non-square aspect
ratio of about 1.2:1 such as 320 x 200, 640 x 400, 768 x 480, etc. So
the pixel ratio can be found using...
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  (horiz res. / horiz display size) : (vert res. / vert display size)
If your monitor has a 4:3 aspect, you should have 1:1 pixels.

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7] When making a disco ball effect, will a SPHERICAL light set at 255
    be bright enough to cause visible spots on the surfaces in a scene?

        No, I bet that a light of 255 won't work too well. So crank
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it up to 2000!  Lights are not limited to 255 (It is logical that lights
can be as bright as they want).  Values above 500 or so are pretty
severe; they cast strong shadows, like a very sunny day. Above 3000 or
so and it looks like you're world is lit by nuclear weapons.

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8] I have a Amiga 3000/25.  How long should it take to do a full
    trace picture with perhaps one transparent (nearly) glass?
    Does 4.5 hours sound reasonable to you?  I am running the
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    floating Point version of Imagine.

        The floating point version of Imagine uses inline floating point
code for maximum speed.  It does not use the libraries.  I suspect that
the non-FP version uses the libraries, just in case. You can probably
SPEED UP your trace time SIGNIFICANTLY by scaling up the whole scene in
the stage editor (see question 4 above!). A trace time of 4.5 hours on a
3000/25 definitely a "wee bit" on the high side for a scene as simple as
you describe.

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9] Is there any particular format that Imagine prefers?  Ham?
    32 Color?  EHB?  24 bit 1000 x 1000?

        The best is a 24-bit image, of course. Anything works, but the
color range of a 24-bit will beat the tar out of a 16 color any day.
Exceptions would be objects with a few discrete colors, like a red,
white, and blue flag. Then a 24-bit and a 4 color image are equal in
quality. Note that Imagine converts them all to 24-bit internally,
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though- the memory goes down equally for a 100 by 100 4-color as it does
for a 100 by 100 24-bit.

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10] I would like to use conical light sources with my rendering,
     is there anyway "see" in wireframe where the light will fall?

        For conical lights, the X-axis size determines the radius of the
light beam at the distance set at the Y-axis.  This if a light has a X
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size of 50, and a Y-size of 200, the light would have a circle with the
diameter of 100 units at a distance of 200 units from the light's axis
itself.

        You can use this information to create a conical light object in
the detail editor.  By creating a wireframe light, you can then load the
light in and actually "see" and resize it to get an idea for the lights
size.

        Add a primitive cone object.  Then position the axis of the cone
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such that it is at the exact tip op the cone object.  Finally rotate and
resize the cone's axis so the Y axis extendes to the end of the cone
and the x-axis (which should allready be set okay) has the diameter of
the cone.

        The above can be done in 4 steps using the transformation
requestor, make sure that the "transform axis only" box is checked
in steps 2,3 and 4:

          1] Add a primitive cone with default values.
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          2] Set the Position on the axis -100 on the Z-axis.
          3] Set the axis alignment to -90 on the X-axis.
          4] Set the axis size to X=50, Y=100, Z=50.


    Front or side view of cone:      Z---X
                                    /|\
                                   / | \
                                  /  |  \
                                 /   |   \
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                                     Y

        Once this is done you will now have a cone object with the
axis set correctly to be a light.  It is not yet however a light source.
Go into the attributes requestor for the object and click on the box
labeled "light".  In here is a standard light box just like those in
the action editor.  Click on conical, and set the color and other options
as you wish.
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        At this point you must remove any faces from the object.  If you
do not do this, when you render the object will will have a white cone.
Simply go into "Pick Faces" mode and then "Select All" of the faces and
finally "Delete" or "Cut" them.  You will now have a wireframe cone light.
Save this object.

        From now on, you can load this as a normal object into you
renderings and resize, scale and move the light around as you wish.  The
only drawback to this method is that to change light parameters such as
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color or shadows, you must re-edit the object in the detail editor and
then resave it.

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11] How important is lighting for a rendering, and is there any "preset"
     method used to get good results?

        Lighting in computer graphics is a very important element in
creating images.  It takes a while of experimenting with different types
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of lights and settings to get good results, but there is one basic setup
that can also be used as a starting point.

        The basic approach is one used for lighting real world video
scenes.  It is known as a "3 point" light setup since it involves 3
light sources.

        The first light source named the "key" light is the main light
for the scene.  It is usually placed about 45 degress above and to the
side of the camera.  This provides overall light so you can see your
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objects etc...

        The second light is known as the "back" or "top" light.  Place
this light above and slightly behind the center of your scene.  In video
this is used to show highlights on a persons hair so you can tell where
the back of their head is.  In this case, it provides a similar function
so that you can see the back parts of objects.  This is typically set at
about 2 times the key lights intensity, though for computer graphics a
setting equal to or less than that of the key is usually enough.

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        The final light is the "fill" light.  This is usually placed
at a 45 degress angle below and to the side of the camera so that it
is on the opposite side of the "key" light.  This light should be dim
and possible colored and diffused to give some illumination to any part
of the scene not covered fromt the other lights.  For rendering this
means lowering the intensity and or making the light "diminish in
intensity".

        With this setup there should be an improvement over any
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rendering using just one light.  As a test setup a ground and a
stationary object.  (The typical chrome ball with cool highlights on a
checkered ground works well here)  Render once scene with just one light
(the key light only).  Then add the other 2 or more fill lights and re-
render it.  There should be a big difference.

       Also, don't forget that lights can be colored, can cast shadows
and can be "conical spotlights".  All this can be used to give greater
value to your scene.

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                       SECTION 7 - Essence Settings
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1] Electrical Arc

        Here's how to make an electrical arc between two rods, like
something out of Frankenstien's lab.

    1] Start with a plane with 255 R,G,B on Color and a light blue
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       (or whatever color you want the arc to be) in Filter.
    2] Use Ringfract as follows:
         Set the Z axis to point out of the plane, (rotate 90 on X)
         Low Trans Start=30      Low Trans Width=5
         Hi Trans Start =40      Hi Trans Width =5
         Set the color to 0,0,0 for RGB.
         Leave other settings at defaults
       Place the axis of Ringfract in the middle of the bottom edge of
       the plane.
    3] Now use Swapcrf to swap the color and filter values. Do this by
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       setting all parameters to 0, and then setting the following
       values to 1:
         Filt -> N Color = 1
         Refl -> N Refl  = 1
         Color -> N Filt = 1

        Now when rendered, there should be something similar to an
electrical arc (or maybe some sort of plasma).  To have the arc grow,
rotate the Ringfract axis on X up or down so that the plane and cylinder
do not intersect at 90 degrees.  If you animate this it looks like the
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arc gets taller until the arc breaks (i.e. the plane no longer
intersects Ringfract's cylinder in a curve, but instead in two lines).

        Also setting the plane to bright will make it look correct
in dim scenes.

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2] Veined Marble

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        The veinedmarble texture is used twice, once for large, widely
spaced veins.  The second use is for finer, closely spaced veins.

        For veined green marble set the object color to 40,80,40 for
Red Green and Blue respectively. The texture veins are a gray-green
color.

  Text#1   Text#2    Parameter        Text#1   Text#2    Parameter

  800.0    300.0    Initial Scale       4.0      5.0      Turbidity
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    7.0      7.0    # of Scales         0.9      0.98     Color Level
    0.4      0.4    Scale Ratio       120.0    120.0      Color Red
    0.6      0.6    Amp Ratio         150.0    150.0      Color Green
    0.4      0.4    Time Ratio        120.0    120.0      Color Blue
    0.0      0.0    Time                0.0      0.0      Fade 0..1
    1.0      1.0    Sharpness           0.0      0.0
   20.0     10.0    Vein Spacing        0.0      0.0

        Rotate the second texture 45 degrees around the X and Y axes
with respect to the first texture.  You may want to rotate the first
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3] Rough marble/rock

        This uses 2 textures, one for a main color variation, and
the other for the bump/roughness.  This is very effective for creating
stone surfaces.  Try these settings on a primitive plane.

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    Object Attribs   R   G   B    Value
        Color     = 136 118 128
        Specular  = 153 134 132
        Dithering =                255
        Phong = On
        All others at 0.

    Texture 1:  fractalcolor       Texture 2:  bump
        Parameter        Value        Parameter        Value

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        Initial Scale       15        Initial Scale       5
        # of scales         5         # of scales         4
        Scale Ratio         0.4       Scale Ratio         0.5
        Amplitude Ratio     0.4       Amplitude Ratio     0.5
        Time Ratio          0.4       Alt. Adjust         3
        Time                0         Fade 0..1           0
        Base->1 Trans       0.3       Axis placement left at default
        1->2 Trans          0.6
        Color 1 End         1
        Color 1 Red         70
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        Color 1 Green       60
        Color 1 Blue        60
        Color 2 Red         255
        Color 2 Green       240
        Color 2 Blue        240
        Fade 0..1           0
        Axis placement left at default

        When rendered an off gray stone will be created.  Great for
caverns, dungeons and so on.  Just slap it onto the walls or columns
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1] What the heck is BTW, IMO and other weird abbreviations...

    BTW is an abbreviation for "By The Way".
    IMO is an abbreviation for "In My Opinion"
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    IMHO is an abbreviation for "In My Humble Opinion"
    IML is an abbreviation for "Imagine Mailing List"
    :) is a sideways smiley face
    :( is a sideways frowny face
    ;) is a winking-eye face  etc...

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2] My rendering times and even my refresh times in the editors are
   much MUCH too slow, even with an accelerator. Is there any
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   basic tricks or hints that are often overlooked that might help
   me out?"

        Always be sure to MERGE your objects. This eliminates multiple
faces, points and lines. Some objects have a VERY large number of these
and it can slow your times down by up to 1/2!

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3] When does one get good enough so that they don't render ugly
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    pictures!

        Practice with a simple objects (to cut down trace time) over and
over and over.  Varying lighting & color etc.  This will allow you to
get the effect you want which is only a technical problem.

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                CLOSING -  Closing statements and Disclaimer
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        Hopefully this document is useful to people out there.  Once
again, if there is anything you want added/changed/deleted, please
e-mail as listed at the top of the document.

        What follows is a small disclaimer so no one gets sued for
information that is accidentally incorrect or misleading.  (If you find
a mistake...please send e-mail so it can be fixed!).

      Disclaimer: There is no guarantee regarding any information
                  presented in this document.  The information may not
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                  responsibility for actions pertaining to reading this
                  document, regardless of consequence.

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Greetings:

   After several months of bafflement with Imagine, I got hold of
Steve Worley's "Understanding Imagine" book and now (almost)
everything makes sense.  Thanks, Steve!  However I'm still having
trouble with a couple of things:

1) I tried simulating brick walls and unpolished wood using
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Results look pretty good except that the seams show between
the repeating "panels" of the altitude map, either with black lines
or raised "ridges".  The original greyscale 24-bit images I'm
using for the altitude maps match perfectly at opposite edges.  Is
this a familiar problem and does anyone have a solution?
I'm creating the altitude maps using Opal Paint.

2) Almost half the time when I do a "Quickrender", the image
is calculated but not displayed: I get the "Delete Quickrender File?"
message as soon as calculation is done.  I can then view the image,
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stored on RAM:, in Opal Paint, but it's a pain.  Any solutions?

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> polygons to appear between the two planes.  Instead of an effect like a
> broken-off cement wall, one gets an effect like two planes separated
> from each other by some distance with nothing between them.
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> effect as you might see in ancient ruins.  Modeling this with polygons
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> like some sort of "linearturb" texture would be the perfect solution,


        Hmmm.  It seems to me that the problem is the texture.  I don't
see why you want linearturb is you're trying to make small pockets
of clearness.  One of the noise textures like fractalfilter or whatever
it's called should be used instead i think.  The linear turb will make
half the object clear and the other half gone.  If you set up the texture
axis Z-axis okay you shouldn't be missing anything.  Maybe you're axis
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        I am not sure why it would appear as 2 floating planes.


        Mike C.


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If people on this list are interested, I would be happy to post details
of our soon-to-be-released transputer board for the amiga.

                Neil MacMullen, US Cybernetics.

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> 2) Almost half the time when I do a "Quickrender", the image
> is calculated but not displayed: I get the "Delete Quickrender File?"
> message as soon as calculation is done.  I can then view the image,
> stored on RAM:, in Opal Paint, but it's a pain.  Any solutions?
>
If you jump to another screen while quickrendering and the image finishes
it pops up for a second and disapears. Even if you swap back to the Imagine
screen before the render is finished this will happen. My solution
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Opalvision buffer.

On another unrelated note. Has anyone heard if if the Stereo rendering
feature is going to make it into imagine3.0??  I really hope so.

                    | Hey Beavis. Essence-II's Crumpled texture
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> Subject: us cybernetics transputer
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> If people on this list are interested, I would be happy to post details
> of our soon-to-be-released transputer board for the amiga.

Be my guest !!!

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> 1) I tried simulating brick walls and unpolished wood using
> infinitely-repeating 24-bit altitude maps, featuring the
> cracks between the bricks and the pores in the wood respectively.
> Results look pretty good except that the seams show between
> the repeating "panels" of the altitude map, either with black lines
> or raised "ridges".  The original greyscale 24-bit images I'm
> using for the altitude maps match perfectly at opposite edges.  Is
> this a familiar problem and does anyone have a solution?
> I'm creating the altitude maps using Opal Paint.
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It seems to me that this has been reported as a KNOWN-BUG in Imagine 2.0, and we
all hope that it will be fixed in version 3.0. Am I wrong ?

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I think it's time to ask on the list, if ANYBODY else like me,
sometimes receives letters with ALL the MAIL-SERVER CRAP in the top,
BUT NO text? The only think I could read this time was:

>Subj:  Re: transparency & 3D objects

And I would really like to have the chance to read it, so
please: would SOMEBODY (or the person who wrote it) send it to ME?

Is this just a "Hi Dave" question? and am I the only person(?) with this
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Hi there,

You'll probably get a slew of replies, but just in case...

> 1) Results look pretty good except that the seams show between
>the repeating "panels" of the altitude map, either with black lines
>or raised "ridges".
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Yup, been there... Done that...
It is a "feature" of imagine.  Actually I think this is described in
Steve's book somewhere. Altitude mapping works by figuring the
diference in color of ajoining pixels, since there is no adjoining
pixel at the edge of your map it gives those ridges. (even though you
repeated the map, it doesn't figure into the formula)
As far as I know there is no easy fix for this.

>2) Almost half the time when I do a "Quickrender", the image
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>is calculated but not displayed: I get the "Delete Quickrender File?"
>message as soon as calculation is done.  I can then view the image,
>stored on RAM:, in Opal Paint, but it's a pain.  Any solutions?

Sounds like you are leaving the quickrender to do other things on your
system.
If the Imagine screen gets inactive (by you switching to another task)
it will do this.  No big deal. I do this all the time on my 4000. I
quickrender in 24bit and then use Viewtek to look at the quickrendered
image. as soon as Viewtek get switched in front of Imagine it asks
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"Delete Quickrendered image?" Kind of a pain but it's the only way to
view iff24's in ham-8.

You can switch away from Imagine while it is doing the quickrender,
but when you switch back be sure to click the mouse ONCE on the
imagine screen to make it the active screen again.


Enjoy Imagine

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On Wed, 29 Sep 1993, John R. Spencer wrote:

> infinitely-repeating 24-bit altitude maps, featuring the
> cracks between the bricks and the pores in the wood respectively.
> Results look pretty good except that the seams show between
> the repeating "panels" of the altitude map, either with black lines
> or raised "ridges".  The original greyscale 24-bit images I'm
> using for the altitude maps match perfectly at opposite edges.  Is
> this a familiar problem and does anyone have a solution?
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> I'm creating the altitude maps using Opal Paint.

I've had a ame problem and can't work it out. Is this a known bug ?

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> 2) Almost half the time when I do a "Quickrender", the image
> is calculated but not displayed: I get the "Delete Quickrender File?"
> message as soon as calculation is done.  I can then view the image,
> stored on RAM:, in Opal Paint, but it's a pain.  Any solutions?

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This often happens if you happened to click in the Imagine window while it
was renderig or just finishing.
No real silution but the one above.

Nik.
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On Wed, 29 Sep 1993, Doug Kelly wrote:

> Yes, the WARP System sounds extremely promising.  I was contacted last
> week by a representative of the company, who had some interesting
> additions to the official announcement.  I asked about the 600MIPS
> configuration, since that would seem to be directly comparable to the
> Screamer; he said that the target price would be in the neighborhood of
> $8000-$9000.  He was quick to point out that the entry-level board would
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> (and presumably as the work PAID for the demands).

So, this is with 3 transputers. I could assume that the 200 mips config.
would be about $4000 or so, right ? (assuming that bying the additional
chips woud be cheaper)
The cheaper board is the one I'll be gunning for if Imagine gets ported -
still having another CPU of the caliber of 040 in performance would be great.


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> inside the A2000 case (at this time).  Interesting, that you will be able
> to get the processing power of the Screamer without an external board.
>
> The WARP Systems rep also said they'd talked with Mike H. at Impulse.
> It's up to Mike now, but the WARP people would really like to get Imagine
> ported over.  At 600MIPS, you could actually get stereo pairs rendering at
> 30fps (as long as you keep the procedural textures under control); a Virtual
> Reality machine!
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On Wed, 29 Sep 1993, Neil MacMullen wrote:

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> If people on this list are interested, I would be happy to post details
> of our soon-to-be-released transputer board for the amiga.
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>                 Neil MacMullen, US Cybernetics.
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> If people on this list are interested, I would be happy to post details
> of our soon-to-be-released transputer board for the amiga.
>
>                Neil MacMullen, US Cybernetics.

Yes, I'd love have some pricing information.  Hope it's cheap enough for every
Amigan to afford it.

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> see why you want linearturb is you're trying to make small pockets
> of clearness.  One of the noise textures like fractalfilter or whatever
> it's called should be used instead i think.  The linear turb will make
> half the object clear and the other half gone.

Well, I'm trying to do just that (make part of the object transparent).
That way I can actually shape the object using the linearturb texture
(with transparency turned on for the texture).  It is a technique that
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shaping flames & other such things which would be darned near impossible
to get right by hand.

>       I am not sure why it would appear as 2 floating planes.

It sort of makes sense when you think about what Imagine is doing.  With
a single flat plane, you can make part of it transparent with linearturb
(or whatever), and so you can "shape" the plane using textures.  But an
extruded plane into a 3D box is not really a solid object to Imagine.
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axis transparent, this will include part of the top, part of the bottom,
and the sides of the box.  (Ie, all parts of the box with
texture-relative coordinates greater than 0, or whatever you set).
Since the edge of the box is made transparent, the box suddenly appears
to be 2 planes floating unconnected.

To successfully do what I said before, the renderer would have to have
an understanding of objects as volumes, not merely as connected
polygons, which is why I'm also interested in the more abstract question
of whether other renderers such as R3D, LW, or Aladdin can do such a
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  - steve
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>stuff deleted...
>This makes beautiful still pictures.  However, I have not been able to make
>the star field pan very well.  The stars flicker too much.
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>Brian

        You might be panning too fast.  Try to limit your pan to around 1
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I called Impulse today to ask when Imagine 3.0 would ship.  They told me 31
October.  Hmmm.  So what happened to "end of September", I wonder?  Oh well,
another date to look forward to :(

Regards,
David Oxley,
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It is not so unusual on the Amiga to use several programs to create
an animation. So I think now is the time to get a standard interface
bewteen 3D programs.
Something like Motion Control could make it possible to
composite VistaPro landscapes in the background and a Real3D or Imagine
forground.

What do you think of it?

Hannes
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Well,  I have had a number of inquiries about this so here is some
blurb...

Background
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  The transputer was designed to be a high-performance parallel-processing
microprocessor; the instruction set was modelled directly on the OCCAM
language, and task switching is directly supported, with typical
task-switch times of less than a microsecond.  Most parallel-processing
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schemes rely upon shared memory for synchronisation and communication,
leading to a tail-off in scalability at around 7 processors.  The
transputer has 4 serial 'links' which enable it to communicate with
other processors - as a result scalability is much greater.  New transputers
are designed to be backwards-compatible with older chips, so code
written on a 10 Mips T414 will also run on a 300 Mips T9000.  Whilst the
newer devices do add some instructions, the instruction set remains
substantially the same, so it is not necessary to recompile code in
order to gain the maximum performance when moving to new devices.  All
transputers run from a 5MHz clock, with an internal phase-locked loop
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device.

The Warp Board
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  The device used in the WARP board is the T805; this is a 32-bit, 30
Mips/3 MFlops transputer with on-board 64-bit floating point unit.  Mips
ratings aren't really something to take too seriously for any processor,
but our preliminary testing on a MandelBrot calculation program
indicates that the WARP board runs somewhere between 6 and 10 times
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faster than an A3000 with 68882 coprocessor.

  There will be two varieties of WARP board; the first is a PIC for the
amiga, the second is a module which will plug into an external box.  The
ironmongery is still under development, but the external box will
probably hold up to 40 modules.  Of course, you can connect up more than
one external box if you want even more processors.

  The PIC has DMA access to amiga memory, allowing a high
amiga-transputer communications rate.  Transputer-transputer
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communications are provided via the links and are at the rate of 2 Mb/s
per link.

  The current board to board interface will be supported for all future
products,  so you will not have to junk your existing boards in 5 years
time when the next generation of processors appear - they can still be
sitting in a corner of the network doing some useful work.


The OS
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  The WARP board runs our proprietary OS which is loosely based on the
amiga OS.  Extended message functions allow messages to be passed
between processors in a manner which is transparent to applications.
Messages may even be passed back and forth between two or more amigas on
the same network. Libraries allow  amiga tasks to use the same functions
as are  available on the transputer; a properly written program will
compile for both the amiga and transputer without any changes.  The OS
is fully multi-tasking and supports fork-type threads as well as simple
parallel tasks.  The OS can automatically load a task onto every
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configuration at compile-time.

  Although most programs may be run on the transputer with minimal
changes, to take full advantage of multiple processors it is usually
necessary to redesign the program to some extent.  Fortunately, the
redesign required for most renderers/ray-tracers is fairly trivial.
The porting process is made easier by a large number of run-time error
requesters - eg an attempt to put a message to an invalid port will
result in a requester detailing the processor, task name, error, and
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  We are currently in negotiation with INMOS to port their compiler to
the amiga - our ideal would be to bundle their compiler with the board,
but obviously we are dependent upon them for this, so no promises
yet....  On the plus side, we are committed to providing a high level of
support to our customers, and will be setting up an email list for
technical support and general discussion of the product and related
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Availability
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  We hope to have the board out by Christmas - maybe even by the end of
November.  There will also be a T9000 board with approximately 10 times
the performance but it is unlikely that this will be out in less than a
year.

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I  don't  know  about  anyone else but Imagine's lamps have given me a bit of
grief  over the years , but I've found how to get round a bug/limitation when
trying to make an object into a lamp and make it cast shadows.

What  happens is that if you create a bulb object and make it bright and into
a lamp it works ok until you set the cast-shadows button on and then it stops
work.   Basically because the attributes are assigned to the objects axis and
not the polygons themselves.  So the outer surface of the object is a barrier
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to the light when cast-shadows is on.

Here's the way around it:

1. Create the object

2. Select attributes

3.  Set the colour - keep all the other settings to 0 or the default will do

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4. Make FOG = 1.00  - this is the important bit.

The  fog  setting  will basically make the complete object into the light and
not just the axis.

I  hope  this isnt old news, I havent seen a way around it in any books or in
the  texts  from  the imagine mailing list.  I noticed steve worleys desklamp
object had a conical lamp set just outside the bulb object to get around this
(I  think  thats  why  anyway)  ,this  works fine but not if youve got a wall
fitted  lamp.   You  can  apply  textures to the object without upsetting the
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 Recently, I was doing a render that had a plane with a brush
filter mapped onto it. There was also fog object in the scene
( I can't remember if it was in front of or behind the plane).
When I went to render, everything looked fine, except..
the fog was gone wherever there was a transparent part
of the plane! I couldn't seem to get around this with any
amount of fudging, and eventually had to take out the fog..

 Sorry if this has been discussed to death, but is there
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a workaround for this?

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On 30 Sept, I faxed Mike H at Impulse a letter asking about Imagine being
ported to the WARP transputer board.  He replied very promptly.  I hope he
doesn't mind me posting his reply, but I thought it might be of interest to
other speed-hungry IML-ers :)

66 ...

I have spoken several times to Mr Ron Henry in the past and as recently as
today.  I thought you might like to know what is really going on.

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There are not really any of these boards in the hands of the developers as you
listed.  They are trying to develop something but they are doing so blind.

I was the first person Ron talked to about this boards, I said to him the
following, when you have a working set of boards, send them to us with the
development system and environment and we will port Imagine if it is wise to do
so.  That was two years ago.  To date they still have no boards but I do think
that they are very close, and Ron assures me that he will be sending me a board
or two next week.  I look forward to this.

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Once we have the board, we will investigate it to the nth degree, we want to be
the fastest and the best rendering software solution.  Unfortunately there are
many problems when companies market what they don't have.  This is a perfect
case, for some reason that goes over my head these guys needed to find out if
anyone wants to go 100 times faster than they do today, well you don't have to
be a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question.

We are comitted to helping you and everyone else who owns Imagine, to make your
job easier as well as FASTER, we are on the job and have been from the start
and have been aware of these things, we just don't like rumours we like the
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real thing even if we don't get done with software on time we do try.

Let me know what you think,
Mike.

... 99

So it sounds like Impulse and US Cybernetics have been in contact for a while.
I wonder how long it will take Impulse to investigate the WARP to the nth
degree?  In a recent newsletter, Impulse talked about a high speed rendering
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about their own board?  Who knows...more questions to Mike I suppose.

Regards,
David Oxley,
Logica UK Ltd.
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> the fog was gone wherever there was a transparent part
> of the plane! I couldn't seem to get around this with any

Does that for me too.  Annoying, no?

The only thing I have been able to do to work around that problem is to
fix it after you render the image.  I use ImageFX.  Usually you can
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color balance for that area until it looks "right" (which isn't as bad
as it sounds, because you can just fiddle until the sharp edge of the
transparent plane goes away).  If there is a better way to fix the
problem, I'd sure like to know about it.

  - steve
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Hello all... I once saw somebody mentioning max value for Imagine light source,
and how it could create "nuclear explosion" effect.

So far, I've tried ONE spherical light source with value about 32000 (very close
to max value of 32xxx) and couldn't really get that effect.

I have a scene with checkered ground, one object in the center, and the bright
light source.  I placed the object and the light source without thinking any-
thing about their 3D distance (Imagine's 3D coorinate), would this be why?

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For example, would it yield better result if I was to scale down the object by
factor of 10 and decreased the distance by 10?  Or using of more lights will
help at all?!

What about the global light settings?  I found that you can't enter any higher
value than 255 for global light.

My Amiga isn't too fast... so I really don't want to put it through another run
unless I have some guarantee.  (or something similar!)

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> An extruded plane into a 3D box is not really a solid object to Imagine.
> If you apply a texture which makes everything along the texture's +Z
> axis transparent, this will include part of the top, part of the bottom,
> and the sides of the box.
> whether other renderers such as R3D, LW, or Aladdin can do such a thing.

LW's fractal noise texture is a 3D texture that gets projected onto 3D
*surfaces*. If you create a box and transparency map it with fractal noise,
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swiss cheese and hollowed the box out (except the swiss cheese holes are
blurry and ragged :-) Generally, transparency mapping is better suited to
adding detail to an existing form rather than creating the form itself (as
far as 3D forms are concerned). So if you are creating a 3D flame, shape the
object like a flame and use transparency mapping to a vary the tip of the
flame. Aladdin, ofcourse, supports gaseous objects which supposedly have actual
3D volume as apposed to simply being surfaces.
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Text item: 9/30/93 7:51PM (IA5Text Enclosure)

In a previous post [e-mail] wrote:

>I  don't  know  about  anyone else but Imagine's lamps have given me a bit
>of grief  over the years , but I've found how to get round a
>bug/limitation when trying to make an object into a lamp and make it
>cast shadows.

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>4. Make FOG = 1.00  - this is the important bit.

WOW!
Does this really work????
I never heard about this work around before, this sounds too good to
be true.

Also while I'm cluttering up your screen... 8-)

A Downloaded an Anim from (I think) Animet that was called Valkrie
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I don't suppose the object (or objects?) are available anywhere?

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Its been a while, so please forgive if I'm wrong...

I thought I read in Understanding Imagine 2.0 that setting the attribute
bright, didn't make the object emit rays of light, but made it so that the
objects color wasn't shaded or effected by other light sources.  In otherwords,
if you set an objects color to 100,100,100, then it would be 100, 100, 100,
and no shadows would be cast across it.

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that setting the bright attribute, makes the object a lightsource.  I have
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seen that implication in quite a few recent posts.  This *may* be causing the
problems with cast-shadows and a lightsource.

Does anyone know?  Steve, can you verify?  Is the name "bright" misleading,
or am I just plain wrong(say it ain't so)?


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Hi everybody

Does anybody know the speed of SCreamer in MFLOPS?
I have read that the Cray-1 Supercomputer has a speed of 160 MFLOPS.
When they say that the SCreamer has double the speed of Cray-1
they mean in MIPS, MFLOPS, all overall performance?

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>>>>> "Breno" == Glenn M Lewis <[e-mail]> writes:

Breno> Hi glenn. I think T3DLIB is great (but who doesn't?),

        Hey, thanks!

Breno> but I only got an old version (not sure which), in which you
Breno> mentioned in future versions you'd probably add support to
Breno> "make-topology-compatible" two objects, so we could morph any 2
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Breno> reason why you couldn't? Lightwave Modeler's programmer, Stuart
Breno> Ferguson, told me he "couldn't think of any way", or something
Breno> like that.  Of course I disagreed, but I'm not a programmer...

        I have ideas on how to do this, but have not yet implemented
it, and will probably not in the near forseeable future... working on
too many other things right now.  Sorry.
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I see many people having trouble with light objects casting shadows.
I see many tricks being discussed here. The easiest way to
get your light objects to cast shadows is to
scale the axes down to almost nothing. Many times your light object's
axis may be so large that the only thing being illuminated is the
light object itself.

We made this discovery while rendering the examples of our objects
that will be released for sale in the very near future. The solution
is to model your light object, do all your tweaking and whatever, then
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10/1/93 15:59 52/ Stethem Ted              5721 <[e-mail]
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Hi,
   I have been reading some archive IML about Imagine for MS-DOS and thought
I might be able to help out some people with problems.  I also started out
with the same problems (program wouldn't load, crashes, etc).  I am still
having a few problems but have gotten it to work for the most part.  First
had it on a 386/33 with DOS 5.  Now I have it on a 486/33 with DOS 6.  The
primary problem in getting it to load up is in the CONFIG.SYS.  Imagine
appears to dislike ANY expanded memory manager.   This is my CONFIG.SYS to
get Imagine to load up:
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DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /E:1024 /P
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DOS=HIGH
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It also appears that Wmagine needs as much of the standard memory as you can
get, like in excess of 580K.  This CONFIG.SYS works for me and I named it
CONFIG.OLD so I can use a batch file called OLD.BAT which I run and reboot
the machine to use Imagine.  I have another NEW.BAT  which loads CONFIG.NEW
into CONFIG.SYS when I need to use all the other MS-DOG junk.
   I have used Imagine 2.0 for almost a year on my Amiga 3000/040 so Imagine
doesn't totally throw me on the MS-DOZ machine.  Anyway, it appears that
Imagine is running almost 2 times faster on the 486/33Mhz as compared to my
A3000/040/25Mhz.  MS-DOS Imagine DOES load DXF, but like most DXF loaders,
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WHY!!!  MS-DOS Imagine will produce .FLC animations. It works although the
public-domain .FLC players will vary in their ability to play it back.
 AAPLAY doesn't work very well.  PLAYMOVY plays the Imagine .FLC animations
very well and has quite a bit of control over dissolves, pauses, playback
speed, etc.  I am going to send up an animation with the PLAYMOVY player to
amiga-boing or aminet when I figure out how to ftp send (my 486 crashes
right now for some reason when I tried this, another EMM386 error??!??).
 There are a lot more memory management problems with the Intel/MS-DOS
machines compared to the Motorola/AmigaDOS.
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renders at SVGA 640x480x256 colors look pretty awesome compared to 16 color
or HAM Interlace although HAM Interlace produces pretty nice results.  The
486 is really fast also but it spends more time during the cleanup and
showing of images.  It would really scream with a 486/66 Mhz or go ballistic
with a 486/99Mhz.  No problems with DOS 6 that I can see and, actually,
Imagine seems to run a little better under DOS 6.  Still, I will be going
along and it will crash all of sudden but usually after doing several .DXF
imports, back and forth between Detail Editor, Project Editor, Stage Editor,
Action Editor, etc.  Sure do miss that multitasking gadget in the upper
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21400.3.1.5049 Impulse and U.S. Cybernetics
10/1/93 10:33 91/ "Neil MacMullen" <[e-mail]>
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 First of all my apologies to everyone who is not really interested in
 this....  I certainly don't want to get into a flame war here, but I
 would like to clarify some points.


>On 30 Sept, I faxed Mike H at Impulse a letter asking about Imagine being
>ported to the WARP transputer board.  He replied very promptly.  I hope he
>doesn't mind me posting his reply, but I thought it might be of interest to
>other speed-hungry IML-ers :)
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>66 ...
>
>I have spoken several times to Mr Ron Henry in the past and as recently as
>today.  I thought you might like to know what is really going on.
>
>There are not really any of these boards in the hands of the developers as you
>listed.  They are trying to develop something but they are doing so blind.

 Clint of VistaPro is currently working with one of our boards; another
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 from the pcb manufacturers in about a week.  Up to now, boards have
 been in very short supply and naturally, highest priority had to be given
 to our own development team.

 I'm not sure what Mike means by 'developing blind', but I can assure
 everyone that we have a very firm idea of exactly the way we want the
 hardware and software to go.

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>following, when you have a working set of boards, send them to us with the
>development system and environment and we will port Imagine if it is wise to do
>so.  That was two years ago.  To date they still have no boards but I do think
>that they are very close, and Ron assures me that he will be sending me a board
>or two next week.  I look forward to this.

 As Mike says, we have been in contact with him for a long time.  As with
 most startup companies, we have had to struggle to overcome numerous
 hurdles to get to this point.  I certainly don't wish anyone to think
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 is down to Mike.  I have been reluctant to comment on the recent calls
 on this list for Impulse to port to the warp board because I assumed
 that Mike would want to keep any business dealings private until he had
 seen the board and made a decision.

>Once we have the board, we will investigate it to the nth degree, we want to be
>the fastest and the best rendering software solution.  Unfortunately there are
>many problems when companies market what they don't have.  This is a perfect
>case, for some reason that goes over my head these guys needed to find out if
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>be a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question.

 The reason we approached Mike was that we felt, and still feel, that
 there is no point trying to sell a piece of hardware unless there is
 some software to run on it.  Since we saw Imagine as being the market
 leader in a field which was a natural application for the warp board,
 we hoped that he would be enthusiastic about porting his product.

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>job easier as well as FASTER, we are on the job and have been from the start
>and have been aware of these things, we just don't like rumours we like the
>real thing even if we don't get done with software on time we do try.
>
>Let me know what you think,
>Mike.
>
>.... 99
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>I wonder how long it will take Impulse to investigate the WARP to the nth
>degree?  In a recent newsletter, Impulse talked about a high speed rendering
>engine.  I wonder if the WARP was it, or the WARP has made them think again
>about their own board?  Who knows...more questions to Mike I suppose.
>

  I believe Mike was referring to the WARP in this newsletter.

  Well, I hope that can put things to rest.  If anyone has any further
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> Does anybody know the spued of SCreamer in MFLOPS?
> I have read that the Cray-1 Supercomputer has a speed of 160 MFLOPS.
> When they say that the SCreamer has double the speed of Cray-1
> they mean in MIPS, MFLOPS, all overall performance?

160 MFLOPS eh? must be 'entry level' Cray or something  :)  Seriously,
you can't really compare different computers in terms of MIPS or MFLOPS since
they are not the best way of measuring performance.

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> It also appears that Imagine needs as much  f the standard memory as you can
> get, like in excess of 580K.  This CONFIG.SYS works for me and I named it
> CONFIG.OLD so I can use a batch file called OLD.BAT which I run and reboot
> the machine to use Imagine.  I have another NEW.BAT  which loads CONFIG.NEW
> into CONFIG.SYS when I need to use all the other MS-DOG junk.


Dos 6 has a config.sys menu syntax that allows you to have multiple
configs and autoexecs in one file. you are prompted when the machine
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boots to enter the config of choice. I don't remember the exact syntax
so you'll have to check the manual but here's something close.

[menu]
Imagine
Regular

[Imagine]
(minimal bootup lines here)

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[Regular]
(your normal config stuff)

[Common]
(executed by anyuconfig)


There is a function key (f7 maybe) that you can hit during boot up
to also have the machine prompt you before eacu line of the config.

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after all and my body us simply rejecting config.sys talk. gotta go.

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Motion Blur Publishing is pleased to announce publication of
The Imagine Companion 2.0, a book of tutorials, hints and tips
for users of Imagine 2.0 on PC and Amiga.  Feeling somewhat
apprehensive about the release of 3.0 when you've yet to come
to grips with 2.0?  With over 14 well-illustrated and fully-
explained in-depth tutorials, The Imagine Companion 2.0 takes
you by the hand and guides you through Imagine's intricacies
and eccentricities.  One of the tutorials, on a variable-
transparency spotlight beam, was recently excerpted in 3D Artist
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The Imagine Companion 2.0 plus disk (MS-DOS or Amiga) is
available for $29.95 postpaid from: Motion Blur Publishing,
915A Stambaugh Street, Redwood City, CA 94063. Phone
1-415-364-2009 for info, but sorry, no credit card orders.
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10/3/93 12:27 25/ [e-mail] (Jeff Walkup)
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Hannes Heckner writes:
>
> Something like Motion Control could make it possible to
> composite VistaPro landscapes in the background and a Real3D or Imagine
> forground.

I've done this a bit with FDPro Flight recorder, but it generates both
Imagine staging files and Vista camera scripts internally.

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It just dawned on me, however, that it should be possible to convert one
to the other (with ISL, what else?)  Assuming you could translate the
camera's movement into frame-by-frame Position and Alignment numbers, you
could transfer the movement from Imagine to Vista.  That translation might
be hard though, if you are using keyframes (not too hard) or paths
(harder.)  Going the other way, from a Vista script to Imagine would be
easy - just create a "keyframe" for the camera for every frame, the way
Flight Recorder does.

You're right though, it would be nifty if we had some standard motion
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collision-detection when combining two animations.  (!! :O !!)

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A new renderer was announced on c.s.a.graphics today. I was wondering
if anyone has any further info on it. or if any European IML members
have actually used it and would provide feed back. An extensive
feature list was presented, but some info from a detached party would
be appreciated. The package is called "Revelation 3D" and lists for
449dollars US, although no US distribution has been announced. Price
includes a dongle and 400 plus pages of documentation and tutorials
as well as sample objects, maps etc....

The feature list is long so I won't post it here. but I'll email it
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I'll keep it brief:

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Revelttion 3D (TM).

For the first time on the Amiga, does a system finally have objects which
are truly color shaded within the mtdeller. And it is FAST!

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fantastic REAL-TIME-tAMERA mode for you, which allows you to adjust, rotate,
move, shear and scale objects and camera views freely, at exactly 25 frames
per second (30 fps NTSC).
For the raytracing freaks, we also have good news. Our raytracer sports many
atmospheric effects, along with depth of field, true soft shadows, fuzzy
transmissions and fuzzy reflections. Along with all the standard features,
this gives you the ability to create stunning lifelike images.
Not to mention our texture support, with more than thirty procedural textures
included, both color textures, bumping textures and post textures.
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All are fully adjustable and allow the creation of absolutely all kinds of
surfaces. They also include textures like clouds, water, glow, and fire.
ALL kinds of IFF mapping are available too.
(farther down they mention external texture support)

Revelation 3D is shipping on the 14th of October 1993.


+ Support for network and serialport distributed raytracing!
+ Special Silicon Graphics(TM) based rendering module and network systems
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+ Soft shadows.
+ True trnnsparancy and refractions.
+ Fuzzy reflections.
+ Fuzzy transmissions.
+ Support for viewing with X-Specs 3D glasses.

Modnller
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FAST & TRUE color shading of objects within the modeller. Never seen before!
Work with objects, wnile they are shaded, not just wireframes. Integrated
easy-to-use modeller with full screen editing from all angles and Quad-view.

Supports loading a large number of alien 3D object fileformats, including:
  Revelation(TM),
  AutoCAD(TM) DXF,
  Imagene (TM),
  Sculpt-4D (TM),
  3D-Professional (TM),
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  Turbo Silver (TM),
  Forms-In-Flighe (TM) microobjects,
  3-Demon (TM),
  and Cad3D (TM).


Object and Vertex tools are all controllable on XYZ axis and incluee:
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now has and imagine is promising (bones for instance) is missing,but
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> > Does anybody know the speed of SCreamer in MFLOPS?
> > I have read that the Cray-1 Supercomputek has a speed of 160 MFLOPS.
> > When they say that the SCreamer has double the speed of Cray-1
> > they mean in MIPS, MFLOPS, all overall performance?
>
> 160 MFLOPS eh? must be 'entry level' Cray or something  :)  Seriously,
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> you can't really com are different computers in terms of MIPS or MFLOPS since
> they are not the best way of measuring performance.
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> Remember  number of instructions or flip-flops are can be really different
> machine to machine... efficiency, etc. can be another factor.
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Actually, MFLOPS stands for "million floating point operations per second"
ohich means that it's measuring the rate at which the computer does math.
(boy, that sounds pretty retarded, doesn't it... "does math"  oh well)

For a ray-tracer (and yes, I DO mean ray-tracer, not scanline renderer ;-)
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the image generationsis based so heavily on linear algebra that the
speed of math processing will almost solely determine the speed of
image generation.
  (with scanline rendering, there are hardware tricks that can be employed
with high end polygon engines, making the machine's math processing speed
not quite so important - ie: the Iris Indigo Elan w/ Wavefront.  I'm pretty
sure that Wavefront takes advantage of the SGI hardware for greater speed.
By the way, this parenthetical part is prone to have a few errors... it's just
info I've accumulated through the years)

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With Imagine and most probably with Lightwave (unless the Toaster has a
few polygon engines hiding in there) the floating point processing speed
of a machine (MFLOPS) will pretty much determine your rendering time.

In terms of MIPS not being a real deciding factor, you're right on that
one.  Remember: Mips:  "Meaningless Information for PC Salesmen"

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I've recently used LightWave 3D on friend's Amiga, and really liked how it
handles "Camera view" in real time.  And same thing goes for the light source
too!

I really hope the 3.0 release have this feature... instead of using Amiga-K
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>In order to _really_ get around it, I suppose the renderer must model
>solid objects instead of space-bounded-by-polygons.  Does R3D do this?
>Lightwave?  Aladdin?  And if so, do the allow the technique of using a
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>  - steve

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effect you're wanting in a solid object (a paralelogram is fine), but
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> I see many people having trouble with light objects casting shadows.
> I see many tricks being discussed here. The easiest way to
> get your light objects to cast shadows is to
> scale the axes down to almost nothing.

How about click on cast shadows in the light requestor;)

> Many times your light object's
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But really, I was under the impression that spherical lights were just
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light.  You cannot make a whole object emit light!  Only its axis will.
I can't recall about conical or cylindical.  I think they are point light
sources as well, it's just that the axis' effect the distance and area of
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is somewhat transparent, light won't come through(or shouldn't, see below).
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I played with it some this weekend.  The best setting I got for a lightbulb
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Make the bulb glass(transparency 200, 200, 100 or what ever, I used the settings
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       going to be setting fog.  I need to play some more.

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more opaque the bulb will be.  The fog will be the color of your object.
My bulb was white.

Some weirder results occuredrent.  It still
seemed to emit light, but the bulb was completely black.  Turn on "bright"
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frosted look.  In you're keyframe a few frames later, select light and set the
fog length a little lower.  The bulb will "glow" a soft white.  Might be a
nice animated effect.

Oh well, enough rambling for now.

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1) MFLOPS is an absolute way (assuming the same algorithm is used fo

calculating the MFLOPS) toec, ie. How fast the data
is outputed by the Processor in math calculations.
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2) MIPS is for general instructi
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calculated with the same algorithm on all processors (i think this is
not always true), b
t and then the results (mainla CPUs, or CISC-RISC).

I asked that question because of this phrase: "...twice the speed of CRA
-1"
I wanted to know in whic

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What is his name?
Cray junior! :)

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Ahh.. that clarifies some stuff.  BTW, what kind of floating point operation
are we talking about here to measur
 MFLOPS?  Adding 2 floating nation.  It
would be better if the manufacturers give more accurate specs.

Same thing goes for
IPS... which 'instruction' ar etc...

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> a friend
of mine? oh! i forgot it is for his CRAY XM/P-4.

Call Memory Universe at 1-493-579-3883.. they have even bigger ones (65536
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sell the above 64 GB module for 2
3 million dollars a piece.  I recently bought
3 of them.  Of course, you'd need a 64 bit machine (or 256) to use them.  I
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> What is his name?
> Cray junior! :)

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  Has anyone used the Essence II ClusterBump or Polkabump textures (or others)
to animate bubbles on water?  I'm trying to simulate the bubbles produced when
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> Does anyone know where I cao find a 3D object scanner? i.e. have a persone
> pose while it scans them in 3 dimensions and gives you an Imagine or
> Lightwave object of the person?
>
>                                             Thanks in advance
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you're willing to spent.  There are now several companies marketing laser
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also companies that own these machines and will rent time on them, to the
tune of $200 and hour and up.  These things are VERY accurate, down to
tiny fractions of a millimeter.

If you are willing to settle for accuracy around 1.5 millimeters, and
don't mind spending a few hours per model, I've got a do-it-yourself
technique that works.  You need a slide projector, a video camera, and a
video digitizer (DCTV works great). You don't need to own them, just have
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Let me know if you want the details.  If anybody else on the list wants
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I've used this methrd to assemble models of friends' faces and fragile
porcelain figurines, without using molding compounds or taking tedious
measurements.  It works!

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else has already done the same.
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> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:41:42 +0800

Mr. Waters stated in a previous article that the DPS PAR was capable of output
quality of S-VHS/Hi8 and rivaurate side.

We are currently evaluating DPS PAR based Amiga systems for various uses here
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Eve
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For some reason, I just can't get the stage editor to save my objects rescled.
I resize them i- the stage editor and "save changes".  Selecting size bar
doesn't help either.  It does save all positions etc. Any help?
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Well MFLOPS certainly come in a variety of flavors. The most basic and
common measure is peak MrLOPS which is simply based onn theoretically be done in a second. There are also several
benchmarks such as LINPACK which attempt to quantify a more meaningful
(ie. useable) number. For example, the super scalar i860XR can execute
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lt Concurrent, we make multiprs cache
an it was mostly all floating point. We saw close to a 20x difference
between the two. Not too shabby. It just so happ also uses 4 cpus like the Screamer, except ofcourse, our design
is radically more advanced to handle the rigors of real-time, general
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>handles "Camera view" in real time.  And same thing goes for the light source
>k that's really the point in Imagine that needs the most
reworking - the Stage editor. Old stuff like RA+K to retrack the camera
stinks! Idealistically, we should be able to simply select an object and
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al-time, that'd be almost perfect. By the way, we should have the option
of choosing THE FRAME in which we're setting the keyframe, independant
of in which one we are, 'cause sometimes it's easier to position an object
in a frame in a position we want it to be in OTHER frame. The advantages
of this method are a little obscure to the novices, I know, but who have
ever used - and I mean USED, not played a bit - knows what I mean.
I have to admit that the LW's Layout (stage editor counterpart) interface
is almost perfect, so Impulse shouldn't be ashamed to be inspired by it.
The "almost" stands for:
 - You can't view the scene in solid mode. Only wireframe. Imagine's Solid
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overlapping precise.
 - You can't move an object in its local axis, as in Imagine.
 - Up to now, you can't have REAL spline paths, just keyframes with adjus-
table spline controls, and a (very good) representation of the "path".
Good, but lacking sometimes.
 - Hierarchies aren't represented (sometimes it's good to see the lines
connecting the parents).

Except this, everything is *wonderful*. But since Imagine is a more
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control), if it could achieve the staging sophistication of Lightwave,
I would finally consider it as development tool, since my deadlines are
too tough for the intricacies and amount of man-hours Imagine requires.
In its actual version, its just a hobby (and a very pleasant one) for
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I want it!

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Ahh.. that clarifies some stuff.  BTW, what kind of floating point operation
are we talking about here to measure MFLOPS?  Adding 2 floating numbers?
Negating one floating number?  There are several in floating operation.  It
would be better if the manufacturers give more accurate specs.

Same thing goes for MIPS... which 'instruction' are they talking about? cmp
, jmp, add or what?  Each instruction has different cycles, etc...

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> Cray junior! :)

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> For some reason, I just can't get the stage editor to save my objects rescled.
> I resize them in the stage editor and "save changes".  Selecting size bar
> doesn't help either.  It does save all positions etc. Any help?
You might try using ISL to convert the stages to ASCII, before and after
your changes, to see what is really getting saved.

> Also, I selected the primitive sphere in the detail editor and enlarged its
> axis for its internal light.  It looked fine here but when loaded into stage,
> it was stretched along the z axis while I had changed the x and y axis. Any
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> reworking - the Stage edite camera
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> I have to admit that the LW's Layout (stage editor counterpart) interface
> is almost perfect, so Impulse shouldn't be ashamed to be inspired by it.
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> table spline controls, and a (very good) representation of the "path".
> Good, but lacking sometimes.
>  - Hierarchies aren't and MUCH more
> control), if it could achieve the staging sophistication of Lightwave,
> I would finally consider it as develnd amount of man-hours Imagine requires.
> In its actual version, its just a hobby (and a very pleasant one) for
> me. Let's pray (and demand) 3.0 fulfill all of our needs.
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> For some reason, I just can't get the stage editor to save my objects rescled.
> I resize tand "save changes".  Selecting size bar
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I almost pulled my hair out over this one night when I couldn't get
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The new Archive (#42) is now available from wuarchive.wustl.edu from the
/systems/amiga/boing/incoming/imagine directory. File name is arc-42.lzh

This archive contains messages from Sep 9 to Oct. 1.
There is a gap between the arc 41 and arc 42 but this is for now how it
will stay.
I may add a few archives in between (41a, etc) but only if I have the
spare time to hunt down all the messages (not likely right now).

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The file is in .lzh format so this archive
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I'd also like to thank Marvin Landis for helping me with getting the
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Are there any dinosaur models out there on the archives? Was trying to get a
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Ask to the distributor why's that happening. It doesn't bother me
at all, 'cause my mails reach everybody, and you can read my name.
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   Type Shift+y -> Instead of moving the object in the global axis, so
   tion of the object. VERY useful for moving the camera directly towards
   its target, without the need of TARGETting, and d:
   like effortlessly animate a plane taking off (always a bit unprecise
   in LW), and moving/rotating objects much more flexibly. Try it, and
   you'll admit it. :^)

>>  - Hierarchies aren't represented (sometimes it's good to see the lines
>> connecting the parents).
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tly the spatial relation they have. Come on, give LW ath Imagine! You will find some stuff in 1.1 that LW don't have in 3.0.

>> Except this, everything is *wonderful*.
>And now its even more wonderful than you realized :-)
Not really... why? Have Allen released a 3.1 version with hierarchical
connection viewing, hidden-line removal (for christ sake! I can't belie-
ve they still don't have it!), local axis moving, children affechysical properties, NURBS, and *REAL* spli-
ne mapping/rendering? Tell me how much does it cost, and I'll grab it! :-)
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  Re: lha on the PC.

   The major archivers on the PC are zip and arj, but if it's
a choice between lzh and lha, lha is certainly supported. I
had no problem last year in obtaining an lha compatible archiver
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Hi Ho Imagineers!

Has anyone ever tried running Enforcer (Mike Sinz's overall illegal activity
and good-guy debugging program) while they're using Imagine?

Basically Enforcer detects illegal writes to ROM or protected memory areas
and watches out for programs performing naughty actions that could solicit a
visit from the GURU.

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contributions to the Amiga's exec.library and 68040 routines) writes in his
doc's that there is absolutely no excuse for a program to cause Enforcer
"hits".

Well the bad news is that Imagine causes a slew of them.

Try running Enforcer in the background, go into the Detail Editor's Attributes
Requester and toggle Phone shading on & off.

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pub/amiga-boing/incoming for a file called DAKDUNGN.LHA.  This is a large
collection of dungeon objects in MS-DOS Imagine format (TIFF brushmaps,
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SGI will supply chips for next-generation Nintendo hame, held a joint press conference in late August with Nintendo of
America Inc. (Redmond, WA), the leading maker of video-game SGI-owned MIPS chips into next-generation Nintendo
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interpretation of Nintendo'ement to develop a 3-D, 64-bit
Nintendo machine for home use. Nintendo calls it "Project Reality", based on
"Reality Immersion Technology", video entertainment that lets players
experience real-time, 3-D scenarios and manipulate events in the game.
     Demonstrations of SGI's 3-D capabilities included a screen that showed
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     The product, developed specifically for Nintendo, is expected to hit
the arcades in 1994. American homes will have it by 1995, most likely just
in time for the holiday seasons, when video companies, one expert pointed
out, "make 80percent of their sales".
     The target price for the home-entertainment version i $250.
     Components of Project Reality include high-fidelity audio and
"record-setting" speed, such as exceeding 100 MIPS

Business terms

     The terms for the joint development and license agreement are simple.
 Nintendo will pay SGI royalties for use of the licensed 3-D technology.
 The product will be available from Nintendo, as well as "current and future
licensees".
Nintendo will supply application software.  Nintendo reported retail sales
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>   Check out wuarchive.wustl.edu (IP 128.252.135.4) under
> pub/amiga-boing/incoming for a file called DAKDUNGN.LHA.  This is a large
> collection of dungeon objects in MS-DOS Imagine format (TIFF brushmaps,
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> few nice objects especially if you are trying to dress up a dungeon or
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Glad you like them.  Any comments/suggestions are welcome; and please read
the DAKDUNGN.README file for details like how to make the barrel more
realistic or make the door turn properly on its hinges.  For you Amiga
folks, just convert the TIFFs to IFFs (using ADPro or whatever), rotate
them 90 degrees, and apply them in the original size/orientation.

I'd like to see any pics anybody renders with these objects.

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        I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following:

        I would like to transfer files to/from my PC and Amiga (486 to 3000)
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I tried to do the morph of a light.  From off to on.

Here is my set up.  I'm not sure what causes the "feature" because I didn't
experiment with it too much.

Heres the set up:

Key frame one:

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   lightbulb:
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     color: white(255 255 255)
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now when I set it as a light source and the axis is inside the bulb(all
the way) and set the brightness to 0 0 0 (No light) and then render,
it renders with everything dark, EXCEPT the bulb!  It even tells me there
is no lightsource, which is what I want, but that damn bulb is hovering
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If I don't set the bulb as a light, then when I morph to a bulb that is
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  Did anyone else read the note in c.s.g.a. regarding Imagine 2.0 being
"given away" as a coverdisk on one of the upcoming issues of one of the
European (British?) magazines (e.g. Amiga Format,...). Can't quite remember all
the details. It had something to do with replacing another renderer that
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Lets say that I have a flag object.  It is a flag which is not being
blown straight out from the flagpole by the wind, but rather is hanging
limply along the pole.

I can make the object, but for the life of me I can't get a brushmap
mapped to it correctly.  If the flag is standing out from the pole as
if under a stiff wind, this mapping is easy, because you can just do a
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However, a flat-x flat-z mapping clearly won't do anything useful for a
limp flag.  Unfortunately, it seems that none of the others do either.
My first guess was wrap-x wrap-z, but this produces _really_ strange
results which don't look anything like what I want.

Has anyone managed to get this effect to look right?  If so, what did
you do?  I could perhaps make the stripes & a field by shading
individual polygons in the flag object.  This might work OK for some
sorts of flags, but for something fairly complex like a US flag it won't
work very well.
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(BTW, I haven't found wrap-x wrap-z mappings to be very useful for
objects other than spheres in Imagine.  If I try it on other sorts of
things, it never seems to do anything reasonable).

   - steve
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        Thanks!

        I have recieved numerous replies to my question here about transfering
file to/from Amigas/PC's.  I will add a section to the FAQ so those using
both Imagine PC and Imagine on the Amiga can benifit.

        Thanks alot!

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The following information is taken from the Impulse summer newsletter.  Of
course, the advertised release date has come and gone.  Supposedly, the rest
of the info is reliable.
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     ** All information taken from IMPULSE GRAPHICSWORLD Summer 93 **


                        New Features of Imagine 3.0
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Bones..  This amazing function will allow you to build a skeleton that you
will associate to the object that you want to manipulate in a smooth method,
unlike the process that is now used in the cycle editor.

Brush tracking..  Presently when you wrap a brush to any object you can not
morph that object and retain the position of the brush on the object.  The
brush stays at the same position in the real world while the object moves.
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Very confusing and not real handy.  Now with Brush Tracking, brushes or
pictures will be mapped directly to each face of the object, so that when
the face moves, the part of the brush that was tacked to the face will move
with the face.  Doing things like snake skin and then animating the snake
with the bones function will make the snake look real.  No more sliding
textures.

Kinematic Movements..  There are several high end software products that
have this feature.  Now imagine3.0 has the feature as well.  Kinematics in
its truest form is the study of motion, and how things move.  Within the
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cycle editor we have had a form of Kinematics without the more intelligent
association of the hierarchical relation of the objects that are in the
cycle
group.  Now with the new Kinematic information you can constrain movements
so that when you move some portion or the group the other objects will be
less or more effected by one single movement.  Making more realistic cycles
will now be possible.

Font and Image Editor..  Over the years it has become apparent that many of
you make your living creating what we have all come to know as flying
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logos.  The only real problem with this has been the conversion of images to
objects has lacked the kind of detail needed to make the fonts and images as
crisp as they needed to be for professional use.  The Font an Image editor
Hence we have added an entire new editor.  The Font and Image editor will
allow you to read Postscript fonts as well as one bitplane graphics.  The
difference is in the fact that these objects will use splines to create the
borders of the objects that you create.  This gives you much more detail and
control over the object.  Once you have the object the way that you want it,
you simply save it and load it into the detail editor to add its final
touches, such as colour and texture.
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Motion Graphics..  It has been near impossible to create animation where
actions occur at different rates.  In the Action editor you could assign a
starting and ending speed to objects that travel along a path.  But you
could apply only one set of numbers.  Now with Motion Graphics you can deal
with each segment of the path as a different motion speed.  Not only can you
apply more information to the path, you can also see what you are doing by
graphic motion sine wave display.  No more tricky math calculations to
consider, just call up the actor and plot your graphs with the mouse.

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Hierarchy Control and Pop up Action Bars in the Stage..  To say the least
going from one editor to the next can be a real pain.  Now from the Stage
you can move any object no matter if it is a part or a group or individual
and stand alone.  Also from the Stage you can call up the action bar
directly so that you don't have to go to the Action editor to make any
changes.  This gives you total control over object movement.  If you don't
like the way an object is moving, you don't have to go back into thew cycle
editor to make those changes, do it right in the stage.

Sound..  Not just sound added to digital animations, but the ability to load
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your soundtrack of music or voice right into the Action editor.  Instead of
making a guess at when things happen and trying blindly to time your
animation to a preset sound, now you can actually see when it is happening
and make the changes in movement that correlated directly to the sound.  The
incoming digital sound must be in certain formats, once in that format they
are loaded into the Action header bar for your viewing.  You can not edit
here, the sound is for reference only.

AA Chip Set Support..  For those of you with the new Amiga computers,
Imagine will now render in those formats that extend your computers visual
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power.

Improved Anti-Aliasing..  Jaggies just aren't any fun, and they don't look
good either.  One of the most suggested improvements for Imagine has been to
make the anti-aliasing better.  There is not much to say when it comes to
the improvements we have made here, its another one of those "You must see
it to believe it" new features. Suffice to say that you will appreciate this
improvement.

Real Time Graphics.. Other software vendors have offered a form of real time
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or symbolic real time movement of objects or real time movement of the
camera.  We have implemented these features into Imagine3.0.  In the
perspective window you can chose your movements based upon several viewing
options.  You can then move things around in real time and see the results
immediately.  Caution.  Real Time is always misleading. In order to do this
in real time the objects are given a more symbolic representation like
bounding boxes.  This feature used in the Stage can create paths in real
time, which can then be followed by other objects as well as lights and the
camera.  Also this new feature allows you to create your Key Cells on a much
quicker basis with a single key stroke.
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Deformations..  It has always been fairly easy to deform objects, but to do
them in a perfect manner has eluded many users.  Now with the new
deformation tools you will be able to: Twist, Taper, Bend, Shear and Pinch
objects to create even more unique and interesting objects as well as use
them in some very amazing animation effects.  These deformations combined
with Brush Tracking will make animations that will move you to the next
level of reality.

Materials.. We have long thought that there were two sets of properties
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aside from the shape of the object should be applied by the user.  Color,
specularity, reflectivity, refraction are all attributes, where as a brush,
and textures and shaders are all properties that could be better called
Materials.  Now instead of just a massive attribute editor we have broke it
down and enhanced to two separate editors.  Materials stands alone so that
you can gain even finer control over your brushed brass pots and pans or
polished chessmen.

Forms Editor enhanced..  Now in the forms editor you will be able to
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point on the slice is a control point which you can move to create objects
that have just the right look and feel.

Field Rendering..  Digital animations are generally done by showing a frame
at a time or recording those frames to a single frame VCR.  In most cases
these animations, depending on the amount of frames and the distance of the
movement of the objects, can look very smooth.  The truth is that due to the
fact that the human eye and brain function under a process called
Persistance of Vision, it fools you into seeing motion.  This process
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is discrete enough to see a jerking or quickness to movement.  With Field
rendering, your animations can be almost perfect completing the illusion of
motion.  When you see field rendering you may never use frame animations
again.

Camera and Light makers..  This feature makes it easier to visualize the
effect lights will have on your scene as well as what the camera is looking
at and just how much the camera is seeing.  This feature is accomplished by
extending markers from the center of a light as well as the camera.  These
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markers form a triangle that shows the area of effect.  Now as you move
lights and the camera you will have a very definite idea of what you are
lighting and what you are looking at.

Apply.. We took this feature out of Imagine when it had existed in Silver.
This command causes the information about the first object you pick in a
multipick selection, to pass the attributes and materials of that object to
the other objects that have been picked.  So now if you want to make all the
objects in the scene have the same properties and attributes of one object
you simply use the Apply command.
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Macros..  With Imagine3.0 you can take even more control of the software.
Many of you have said that you find yourself performing many redundant tasks
that lend themselves to the concept of Macro recording and playback.  So if
you find yourself doing the same thing over and over again, simply make it
a macro and just push a button to make those redundant tasks happen like
magic.

Particles..  Among the newest features found in 3D software is the particle
system.  Like most new features everyone has a different opinion of what a
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particle system is.  Simply put, Imagine particles are varied and are simple
to use, they can be morphed, brushed, textures, and animated.  Even more to
the point they are very simple to use and don't slow the rendering process
down at all.

Alpha Channel Support..  For video uses and makers or great video fare, you
have asked for Alpha Channel support so your life would be easier.  We have
added for your using pleasure Alpha support.  Even if you don't make videos
for a living you may find this feature handy.

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Depth of Field..  If you own a camera you already know what this new feature
is going to do for you.  If you don't own a camera you may still know.  If
you don't know, well here is a shot at an explanation.  When you open the
aperture of a camera you increase the light that can hit the film plane, but
you do so at the expense of having the lens to focus much beyond the object
that you are focused on.  This can be a great thing for making an object
stand out from it's environment.  When you close the lens down you increase
the focus of the camera from the point of focus to infinity.  This means
that the entire scene is in focus.  To date Imagine had an infinite focused
lens due entirely to its digital nature.  Now with Depth of Field you will
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Light Source Controls..  More creative control for you must also include
more dramatic control over lighting.  In this area there are numerous new
features.  Many or you have asked for a way to control not only the color of
the light but also its power.  Now you can control how much of an area a
particular light has control over.  The process is simple to use and the
effects make an even better photo-realistic image than previously possible.
Other new lighting features include:  Light sources that have shape or
dimension to them like light flowing through a venetian blind.  Sure you can
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do these things now but you have to go though all the trouble creating the
blinds and placing the light, just so.  No more, now you can just click and
render.  Of course we have also implemented the ever so popular Soft edge
light source and for you Scanline die hards (faster rendering or course) we
have included shadow mapping.  This feature made it possible to have
shadows in Scanline as well as Full Trace.

Infinity..  Well not really but for all intense purposes we have added the
ability for you to have as many textures or images maps as you want or your
computer can handle.  In doing thins we have taken the Brush and Texture
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options out of the attributes requester and have given these options to
their very own requester.

Imagine3.0 has over 200 new features, a fractoid for those of you keeping
track of that sort of thing.  With all this quality of new features we have
not cut any corners, making sure that Imagine meets and exceeds your needs
now and into the future..  (If they do say so themselves)..


Well there you have it the newest info in Imagine straight from the horses
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mouth.. The release date is August 93' and the price for upgrade from
Imagine2.0 is $100.00US for pre paid..  The retail price for Imagine3.0 is
$649.00US.


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>>>>> "Hannes" == Hannes Heckner <[e-mail]> writes:

Hannes> Sorry when I am wasting bandwidth with a personal matter but I
Hannes> tried to reach Steve Koren via Email and all I got is the
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Hannes> to <[e-mail]>

        Whenever I have problems like this, I try sending the mail to
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mail [e-mail]

and see what happens.  I hope this helps.  Maybe other IML'ers will
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                                                        -- Glenn

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Steve Koren asks about mapping a brush onto a (limp) flag:
> Has anyone managed to get this effect to look right?

Imagine can't do it, because it simply projects the map onto the inter-
sections of the object as if the object was a sphere or a flat sort of
object.  In other words, it does not care about the object's REAL shape.
What Imagine would need is contour mapping (if that is the proper term, I
don't know) which takes orientation of individual polygons into account.

There is no easy way around this.  Perhaps the only way to do this is (at
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this time at least) to create the entire flag from polygons, using image
tracing.  This would require you to stamp pieces of the brushmap from
DPaint (i.e. all the blue, then all the red, then all the white color) and
trace these individually, assembling the final result after each section
has been appropriately colored in Imagine.

I'd be hard-pressed to think of a way to conform the final object to the
shape of a limp flag, ...

 ._.  Udo Schuermann
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What you need is the brush tacking function that's supposed to be in
Imagine 3.0, where you could model a FLAT flag, apply the brushmap, then
morph the flag to a limp, draped shape and the brushmap would remain
'tacked' to the appropriate vertices.

I don't know of any other way to get the effect you want, other than
having the flag made up of colored faces in the pattern you want.
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Sorry when I am wasting bandwidth with a personal matter but I
tried to reach Steve Koren via Email and all I got is the
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct  8 10:08:10 1993
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Any ideas why I am not able to contact you Steve ?

Thanks for your advice

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> If I don't set the bulb as a light, then when I morph to a bulb that is
> on, every frame pops up that damn requestor, "No lights, continue?"
>
> Any hints?

        How about adding an axis, make it a light source with
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>      color: white(255 255 255)
>
> now when I set it as a light source and the axis is inside the bulb(all
> the way) and set the brightness to 0 0 0 (No light) and then render,
> it renders with everything dark, EXCEPT the bulb!

Your problem is the color - make it black, and morph it to white.   I
did this, looks fine.  I'll post it to the IML file section -
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"Bulb.lha", a 31 frame HAM ANIM.  This was raytraced with a single
shadow-casting light source fully inside the bulb object.  The fog trick
does indeed work!  (I also morphed the fog from zero to about 75% of the
bulb's radius - any higher than that and the bulb was _too_
transparent.)


> If I don't set the bulb as a light, then when I morph to a bulb that is
> on, every frame pops up that damn requestor, "No lights, continue?"

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That's to be expected if you don't set it as a light!  ;)  Instead try
making the light color (brightness) black 0,0,0 - and morph it to bright
white or whatever color you want.

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> 421-wuarchive.wustl.edu FTP service is unavailable due to system
> failure.
> 421 There is no ETA for repairs at this time.

Ooops.  Guess I won't be posting Bulb.lha right now...  Wonder what's
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On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Daniel Jr Murrell wrote:

>       What I would like to know is what/where can i get software to send file
> back and forth from the Amiga to the IBM etc...?  I have never tried but
> will 2 terminal/modem programs do the job?  If so, what amiga program
> is recommended? Shareware/Freeware would be nice!?

TwinExpress is definitely the way to go.  Very easy to operate and relatively
fast. It should be on Aminet.

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Where the heck is Imagine 3.0?

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Roy> Where the heck is imagine 3.0?
Well Roy last I heard they were shipping through the burmuda triangle
Want to go get us all a copy? I'm Game!

                                Lesk
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Hey! I have an Idea anyone wan't to do an anim of Roy & I flying to bermuda
To pick up Imagine 3.0 vaporizing us might be symbolic of our promised vaporware
version of 3.0 Perhaps if we are all vaporized we could all be using 3.0
in burmuda on vaperville Island! eating vaporizing cocunuts and bananas...
any suggestions on some good fade effects sort of tranversing from one universe
to another but doing it within the ride so to speak?

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>Where the heck is Imagine 3.0?
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Well you can take this with a grain of salt, or an ox cart full, your choice.
I spoke with Mike Halvorson a couple days ago (called him about something
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for Amiga Imagine 3.0 and he told me he's looking to release it
as a manual-less upgrade package for upgraders who have/will pay the
$100 upgrade fee on 28 Oct 93, and then release it to retail stores
in the full fancy package with the finished manual about a month later.

Again.. these are HIS words, not MINE :)

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On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Greg Pringle wrote:

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The pipes are affecting the MIPS factor of the processor because
all instructions would be executed faster through the pipeline.
(and the MFLOPS i think also).

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        Or maybe you could do an anim of YOU writing a 3D package and we
could all be using that! I want 3.0 as much as anybody else and it is
obvious that the time frame has slipped. However so has the development
and upgrades to other packages( the Toaster being the most infamous).
To equate 3.0 to Vaporware is a little on the unfair side. My only
worry is that it meets it's hype. We can rag all day, and all night
but it won't write code, or smash bugs. The 3d arena has changed
dramatically in the last 8 months and I'd rather wait than to have
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a product that give up to much to the competition. I would imagine
(no pun intended) that Impulse's first release date wasen't based
on the product that 3.0 it going to turn out to be. If anybody
has a problem tell Impulse you want your money back! Then get
another renderer. Seems simple enough to me. I'll wait as I always
have and hopefully will be as happy with the results. In the interim
I'm still enjoying 2.0.
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>OK, then. The next archive will be in the .lha format.

  If anyone's still looking for an IBM version of lha, here's
what archie turns up:

          ftp.psg.com:/pub/LHA213.EXE
          ftp.psg.com:/pub/fidonet/LHA213.EXE

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I'm trying to get a chain moving round a cog in an animation.How would i
do it ?( please be gentle) I've tried alsorts ways but cant get it
working.
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Oren Ben

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As far as I remember Mike Halverson wanted to be back on the IML real
soon. So where is he.

I think there are yet a lot of problems and infos to be discussed
with somone from Impulse

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Hi,

I am curious about the situation of the Joe's diner project.
Is the video tape ready, when and where can I get it ?

Thanks
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I suppose I am as dissappointed as everyone else about the pushbacks in
release dates.  But if these pushbacks mean Imagine 3.0 will be more
powerfull and have fewer bugs in it then I can wait.  Testing & debugging
usually consumes most of the developement time anyway.

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I know this is not the correct area to post this, but unfortunately I have
lost the correct address.  Please remove [e-mail] from the
imagine mailing list.  This Usenet site is being eliminated.


David Byrne                         [e-mail]
The Colony, Texas
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From:   3049::"[e-mail]" 11-OCT-1993 11:32:31.31
To:     marbls::leimberger
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Subj:   misinterpret?

PLease try not to misinterpret me.
I am only trying to turn frustration to humor I am in full agreement that
I would rather have an excellent product than one that just meets the
deadline but I do have things that are desperatly in need of doing NOW!

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My apologies to anyone who might have been offended by my comments.
If I was not excited by and enjoyed imagine so much I would not be disturbed
by a 2 year gap between revisions. No I am not interested in the purchase
of another package! I like imagine or I would not be frustrated. I am a novice
and therefore hope you will take my comments as such.

        To the one who responded negitively HEY lighten up! one of the great
things about this IML that I noticed as I read through the archives before
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REALLY REALLY REALLY I just wanted to turn frustration into humor OK!

P.S. I would Really like to thank those who are asking specific qustions
on Imagine although not able to respond as much as I would like those
questions and answers have help many fold.

                                        Thanks
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Well, not getting my hopes up TOO much, but during my weekly call to Impulse
today, I asked my routine questions...

1> When is Imagine 3.0 going to be released?

2> What is the best new feature that you've been playing with?

Today the answer was a resounding 'Imagine 3.0 will be shipping AT THE END OF
OCTOBER' (caps mine for emphasis). I asked if that was another date like the
end of August, end of September, or what. The person (didn't get the name, but
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t mike h) assured me that this one was for REAL.

The second question was answered with 'The particle system. Definatly the
particly
e system'!

Call me crazy, call me a fool, but I'm starting to get a little excited
about all this again. I was somewhat bummed at the end of Aug, and Sept, but
they seemed to be telling the truth this time. We'll see.
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At any rate, as long as Impulse can put Imagine on the map as the BEST ray-
tracing package out there, I will wait as long as it takes.

Look for me at 'The Forge'! ( hi steve!) call me

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I called Impulse Today with a tech support question. Mike H answered the
phone, and talked my ear off. It's fun to get him going. Here really seems
like a good egg despite what I often read about him here. The following
are some of the major points I can remember now, hours later.

1. Imagine 3.0 will be released at the end of OCTOBER. THe printed manual
may not be ready, but if you can't wait they will send out the
software with a readme file. manual will follow when it is finished. He
seems to think that a competent 2.0 user will step into 3.0 with
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2. Lots of cut and paste type stuff in the action editor.

3. Bones feature is implemented, but may never be needed as something
called "STATES" is far cooler.

4. In the future (that is after the 3.0 package with manual is shipped)
Impulse may implement an update scheme that allows the user to receive
new features as they are written. that is to say that instead of release
1.0 and a 1.1 bug fix and 2.0 with a small bugfix and 3.0 with a bug fix
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they will make 3.1 and 3.2.... availible as the features are added. Upgrades
won't sit on a shelf at impulse for 18 months any more!

5. something like 100 textures are included. many sound cool. eg LIGHTS
which makes city nightscapes and spacecraft dashboards a snap.

6. A full spline based object editor will be the first feature they
implement beyond 3.0.  Hey, with the new update policy as mentioned
in (4) above, this could be in our hands in early 94.

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7. In short, the release should contain enough new cool stuff to keep
us all entertained until the manual version hits. makes Halloween
something to look forward to. He really sounds serious about this release
and I will be very sad if they blow it off.

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Greetings all,

        I have heard some mention here about Imagine Staging Language.
What exactly is it?  It sounds like a way to write a script to use in
the Action Editor.  If so, could it be used as a substitute for a
particle system n 2.0, or is it just "Put this here then move it
there" outside of the Action Editor?  If it's pretty powerful, where
can I get ahold of it?

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I just sent a file called master11.lha to FTP.LUTH.SE. Currently, it's in
the NEW sub-directory of AmiNet, but it should get to one of the picture
directories soon.

It's an Imagine render I did called 'The Making of a Masterpiece'. Kinda
fun...

Comments or flames to [e-mail].

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        Oops!  In my previous post I forgot to leave DPS's phone number.

        DPS - 606.371.5533



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        Building Design & Management             MailStop: LR24A4
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Doew anybody know what is the DPS PAR system. I know that it has to do
with real time animation. I also want the address and the phone/fax numbers
for that company.

If someone is using this stuff i would like his/her opinion on this product.
My email is:
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|Doew anybody know what is the DPS PAR system. I know that it has to do
|with real time animation. I also want the address and the phone/fax numbers
|for that company.

        Digital Processing Systems (DPS) makes a product called the
        Personal Animation Recorder (PAR) Model # DR-2150.  It is a
        hardware video compression system, using a proprietary format
        somewhere between JPEG and MPEG technology, that allows you to
        play back 24 bit animations, in guaranteed 30fps, to tape.
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        It works in realtime and therefore single frame recording, and
        time base correction is no longer necessary.  The output is top
        notch, and from the reviews I've read, matches (or exceeds)
        everything short of D1.

        My PAR is sitting on my table at home, waiting for my Seagate HD,
        which hopefully will be arriving soon.

        The board is pricy for the hobbiest ($1560 mail order).  But for
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        I'm dreaming, let me dream on."  ;-)


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|If someone is using this stuff i would like his/her opinion on this product.

        I haven't used it yet.  the reviews I've  heard are very promising
        though.

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> Again.. these are HIS words, not MINE :)

So far, two people (including yourself) told me the same thing.  Does this mean
2.0 upgraders won't be getting the manuals AT ALL?!  What the HELL?  I want the
#?$%#$ manual!!  I'm too stupid to use Imagine w/o manual!!!  ARGH!!!

> Harv
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Breno, why do all your mail messages say they are from the person you are
replying to?

Breno A. Silva posing as me writes:
> Hmm. Pretty obvious you never REALLY played with Imagine, did you, Mark?

Every experience with it has been FAR too painful, preventing me from delving
into it with any seriousness. For *me*, the additional capability it has over
LW is completely out weighed by the counter intuitive design and unpredictable
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in LW that Imagine does not provide.

> If you, casually, have a copy of Imagine around, or can get one for a moment,
> try the following:

Yes, I now know what you were refering to.

> Come on, give LW a break and play a
> bit with Imagine! You will find some stuff in 1.1 that LW don't have in 3.0.

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I deleted Imagine 2.0 from my disk many months ago. The only purpose it will
likely serve in the future is an upgrade to 3.0. I will then re-evaluate its
usefulness. But it has some major hurdles to leap before I will actually use
it.

> inverse kinnematics, CSG, physical properties, NURBS, and *REAL* spline
> mapping/rendering? Tell me how much does it cost, and I'll grab it! :-)
> PS: I'm not being that much demanding, am I? I thought LW was being directed
> to compete with SoftImage, anyway...

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Well yes, I think thats a little demading since Softimage costs well over
$25K. And no other program under $20K does all of what you are asking for.
LW is by no means complete, but to insinuate that the current 3.0 is not
worth upgrading to because it lacks a list of "dream features" is ludicrous.
It completely boggles my mind how anyone using LW could possibly justify
NOT getting the upgrade.

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> Doew anybody know what is the DPS PAR system. I know that it has to do
> with real time animation. I also want the address and the phone/fax numbers
> for that company.
>

Yep.  Real time 24 bit full screen animation playback.  CAn also be used
with the DPS TBC 4 for real time capture of video ie: nice for rotoscoping
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Anyhow, I am using the product with Imagine, Vista Pro 2 etc....  Unbelievable.
BTW, if you don't have a recent copy of ADPro 2.3.0 or whatever you may have
some little problems. I have 2.1.5 and sometimes the machine crashes.  I have
found out that it is a problem with ADPro and NOT the PAR....upgrading adpro
will fix the problem.

The interface is great, and easy to use.  I am quite happy with the quality
SVHS AND VHS is all I use so I can't vouch for the Betacam output....though
I've heard it's really good.

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If you want to do 24 bit anims and have the money, this is a must for any
animator.  No more drop outs etc...

The best thing is you can render different anims/scenes and can then edit them
how you want.

Also hold about 5,000-10000 still frames too.

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Mike C.

PS: I am not affiliated with DPS, I'm just a happy customer.
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If indead Essence I and II textures do not function with Imagine 3.0, I am
sure that it is because of the increased flexibility and functionality that
the 3.0 texture format brings.  Impulse has stated that when "things are set
in stone" that they will share all file formats with anyone who asks for them.
I would assume that Apex is included in that "curious" group, and I'm sure
that those of us with some programing talent will wish to explore this option
as well.  Some sacrifice is almost always neccessary if advances are to be
made (look at KS 1.3 to 2.04)

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> >
> > > David Watters <[e-mail]> writes:
> > > > Even better, get Impulse to support n-sided polygons and make the
> > >
> > > Why, it's just a Simple Matter Of Programming to change a
> > > triangle-oriented program to a polygon-based program!
> >
> > Then why don't they do it?  It would obviously make a couple of people on
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>       (Blah, blah, blah deleted...)
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>       I asked them the same question the last time I went and visited
> thier shop.  The reply?  "That would take a TOTALLY new renderer".
>
>       Well?
>
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that it is triangle-based.  I can't 'imagine' that it will ever be
anything but that.  To change it to be polygonally-based, I would think
Impulse would have to start from scratch, as almost everything in
Imagine would be affected.  Indeed, I believe and respect Impulse's
reply "That would take a TOTALLY new renderer".

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miracle. :-)

Besides which, I seem to remember a discussion of the advantages of
triangle-based renderers, somewhen here, I think.  Anybody remember
that or have some good pro/con points?

Now, I think an 'auto-facing' feature is a different matter, and
sure would be a nice feature.  Perhaps one could be written using
Glenn Lewis's  TTDDDLib (or whatever its called now) as a stopgap measure.
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> I want the directory in the file requestor to be the directory where *my*
> object files are kept and it just so happens that this is not where Imagine
> looks.  Can I change where Imagine originally looks for files?  ie  are
> these default directories hardcoded or are they configurable.  Does this
> stuff get put in a startup file when I installed Imagine?  Could I change
> the default directories?
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> Tom Setzer
> [e-mail]

As you probably know, Imagine look first in the directory which it has be loaded
from.
So, in this directory (called Imagine :-), I have the program, the Projects
directory, Brushes, Objects (with objects I use in different animation, such a
basic cube), Textures, etc...
All my brushmaps are located in Brushes (i.e. I write Brushes/gluglu.iff in the
brushmap requester). The same for my textures.
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If you go into the Objects directory and you want to go to the parent directory,
the parent button doesn't work. So I hit the Disks button, then return and I'm
back in the original directory where Imagine has been lauched from, with all my
Projects-Brushes-Objects-Textures directories.
Then, if I want to move all the project on another computer in order to render
it, I just make a directory containing the program itself, the config file, the
Projects directory with only my projects in it and the Brushes directory with
the brushes I use for this animation (idem with the textures). I copy all that
where I want and I never need to have logical (i.e. assigns) or physical
directories with the same hierarchy as on my hard disk.
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Hope you understand what I want to explain, my mother language is not english
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Hope it will help, too.

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>to be involved is up to the membership. If we don't want
>or need Impulse's involvement... forget I said anything.
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We want Impulse's involvment (I mean I do)...
I just don't want to hear any BS.. I mean, hype!!!

>While we prefer the IML to a Impulse controlled entity
>due to the more open and unbiased opinions shared here,

That's a laugh... Anytime I talk about anything that is
quasy-non-imagine or partially-imagine but worth mentioning, I get flamed.
Believe me, there is a bias..  It is a imagine list, but sometimes
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temporary alternatives (until Impulse improves something).. I'd
like to see more general discussions and conversations about the art
of ray-tracing rather than just Imagine. (Don't flame me, I like to use
Imagine, but I'm not a big super-biased fan of the programmers behind
the program... and I'm not going to try to sell thier product for them..)

>the fact is, the list has a much higher potential for
>helping and interest if product manufacturers are both
>comfortable and active. Aggressive and hostile exchanges
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>serve nobody. If you feel the need for that sort of thing,

That depends.. On what the attitude and status are of the product
manufacturers (or programmers with some knowledge in business and software
engineering).. Some things are not worth mentioning, and I admit there is a
lot of  things that I have talked about that I have later regret.
I will try to hold back by negative feelings, but I will continue to
be critical about certain things. If you are not critical, then will
the manufacturers assume that I'm satisfied with the product?? Yes!!
product can always be made better and the manufacturer should treat the
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It is good to be appreciative but there should be some mention of improvements
that are feasible (in the users opinion)..

>I might suggest the newsgroup alt.flame.

It is not Imagine subject oriented... I would if it was...
I know you are being sarcastic..

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>just like all the rest of us. It tends to be simply a
>byproduct of a mailing list.

That depends on what you like to read... Some like my posts,
some hate me, some disagree and agree with me.. some really like to read
my posts.. I mean, it is up to you to delete messages from me or whoever..

>Impulse's presence here is an unusual act. Not many companies
>are represented directly online by the president.

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Yep.. but I'm not going to worship them because of that..
It is up to them to visit this group.. I know they have an
interest in thier software, but they will have to expect
to read mail from some users (like me) who have critical thoughts
about thier software..


Dave... don't you work for Impulse?

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Well, my answer to "is Imagine 3.0 ready yet?" was "No, we're still
programming it..." in a rather annoyed sounding voice (I'm sure I was
about the 354 caller that week to ask the same question).  So, although
this isn't any help as to when it'll be released, it's just typical
Impulse for you.  When they mentioned that Imagine 3.0 was supposed to be
out in the summer, the first thing I said to myself was "Okay, knowing
Impulse, that'll be more like Novemeber..." I might not be too far off.
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So, has anyone come up with a good value(s) for good looking silver?
I have been trying to do this, but have had no luck so far.:(

Also, wanting to make a cool anim like Terminator 2, I took cycleman,
Joined him, and made a flat plane that had the same # of points,
faces, and edges, and attempted to morph them together..
Unfortunately, the result look like a mess..  ANy suggestions??

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2 manual, but alas, I haven't read it completely..  So, could someone
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> Could you post that Fax number ? Impulse don't seem to ever release it in
> any correspondence.

impulse fax  [phone]
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  Sure, that's great for Amiga users.  How about a PC version of T3DLIB, or
failing that, the originally requested file format info?  Us PC guys just
want to have fun...  What about a PC version of Essence?  Are we waiting for
3.0?

                                                     /// Mike ///

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Yep, I agree with you there. The biggest reason that I stay with Imagine, o
other than for old time sake, is because of Essence I, II, and the promise
of Pro.

Going to LW3 was a big investment and jump for me... but I have been able
to model some boolean stuff in LW and port it back to Imagine for rendering
with the other Imagine objects. Just that alone was worth about 1/2 the
price of a used Toaster with 3.0 ! (many hours of slicing errors and hair
pulling in Imagine was turned into a smile.)

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On Tue, 12 Oct 1993, Dale R Rogers wrote:

>       Digital Processing Systems (DPS) makes a product called the
>       Personal Animation Recorder (PAR) Model # DR-2150.  It is a
>       hardware video compression system, using a proprietary format

Yep, I'd be interested in a PC version (chagrin).

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Has anyone seen or used the new Sanyo single frame video recorder? I've
seen ads but never a price or a review.

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> >Here really seems
> >like a good egg despite what I often read about him here.
>
> He could be a nice guy and still be rude... lack of basic social graces does
> not mean lack of goodwill.  He's been rude to a lot of people who've called
> him by phone, however, including me.  Speaking as someone who's sometimes rude
> myself but who works with many public relations types, I can see his problem.
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I see this is going to get way off of the subject of Imagine, so I'll make this
my last post on the (non)subject.

It comes down to a matter of opinion I suppose. I can understand why some
folks would consider Mike H. 'Rude'. He is blunt and right to the point.
He never sweetens his words and he has strong opinions. This is what I
like MOST about speaking with him. Sometimes I'll call for tech support at
other companies, and even though the voice at the other end of the line is
coming from a human being, it often does not seem to be a 'Person' at the
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that a lot of people send out. Like I said, it's all personal preference.

>
> BTW - you do know your message was followed by over 300 blank lines?  Just
> checking.

Yes, i seem to have stumbled upon a 'feature' in MG. left amiga + 3 =
300 blank lines at the end of file. Sorry to all!

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Is it possible to simulate a 'jet' thrust?  Suppose I designed a nozzle object
and placed a light source inside, would it look like a 'thrust' coming out from
it?  If no, how do I simulate this using Imagine?

Also, is there a way of getting 'illuminated' light throught the atmosphere?
Something like a soft ray of light coming down through the clouds after rain..
I'd really like that.  Wouldn't you?  :)

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Hello all...

Another one of my strange questions.... does Imagine support relativistic (?)
corrected raytracing?  If that doesn't make much sense to ya, here's what I'm
talking about.

When we do animation of two cars passing by each other, from one car's point
of view the other car wouldn't look much different from when it's at stop.
However, this is not true when two cars are travelling at clost to light speed,
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Perhaps they should implement this feature into Imagine 3.5 or 4.x  :)

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Another idea on a 'truly nice raytracer'.

As I remember from high school physics, I recall light diffracts around the
corners of the object.  In another words, when standing behind an obstructing
object, you'd see light diffused (fuzzy) around every edge of the object...
looks quite 'illuminated', so to speak.

Is there any raytracers out there that does this?  Perhaps Impulse should
implement this feature into Imagine 3.5 or 4.x  :)  The images would look a lot
more natural.
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You'll need something a little more complex than a light source in the
nozzle.  I'd try a Fog object, shaped like an afterburner exhaust flame
(try watching "Top Gun" for ideas), with the same settings you'd use for
searchlight beams & the like.  Don't forget to modulate it slightly from
frame to frame, even the 'standing wave' phenomenon in afterburners
flickers somewhat.  Color the object like a gas flame, blue shading to
purple or something like that.  Yellow flames tend to be from low-octane
fuels, and it sounds like you want to simulate something hotter.

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[e-mail] (Roy Park) writes:
>So far, two people (including yourself) told me the same thing.  Does this mean
>2.0 upgraders won't be getting the manuals AT ALL?!  What the HELL?  I want the
>#?$%#$ manual!!  I'm too stupid to use Imagine w/o manual!!!  ARGH!!!

I think I'll wait for Steve's next Imagine book Understanding Imagine 3.0.
I chunked my Imagine 2.0 manual from Imagine about a year ago. They couldn't
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|Well, my answer to "is Imagine 3.0 ready yet?" was "No, we're still
|programming it..." in a rather annoyed sounding voice (I'm sure I was
|about the 354 caller that week to ask the same question).  So, although
|this isn't any help as to when it'll be released, it's just typical
|Impulse for you.  When they mentioned that Imagine 3.0 was supposed to be
|out in the summer, the first thing I said to myself was "Okay, knowing
|Impulse, that'll be more like Novemeber..." I might not be too far off.
|:)

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        calls if he would simply communicate with the mailing list.  Since
        we are the people that are predominately calling in anyway.

        He could keep us informed as to what is going on and there would
        be no reason for us to call.

        He doesn't even need to be on the distribution list.  So he won't
        receive thousands of hate mail messages ;-).  Just mail the status
        info to the imagine address.  It will be distributed
        automatically.  And we could stay out of his hair. At least, those
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        Has anyone suggested this to Mike?  Maybe someone should who has
        his personal address.... Dave??? (hint hint nudge nudge)


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21400.3.1.5150 Algorithms, Modelling, and Anarchy
10/13/93 08:21 47/ "J_GEORGE" <[e-mail]>
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Over the past several months I've been a subscriber to this mailing list
and have learned a great deal from many of the posts. I've noticed continous
posts concerning upgrades and specifics pertaining to "what would REALLY be
cool" to add to Imagine. This is fine and dandy, but brings some questions to
mind:

        Has anyone, particularly those who are constantly searching for new
functions to play with, really taken their available medium and pushed it to
it's limits? As an artist, throughout my personal and scholastic training I've
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learned that any medium has its limits at first glance, and part of the
creative process is to push those limits beyond what is considered the norm.
Watercolor paints, when applied in one fashion, will produce an image
composed of pastel colors, almost as if it was made of crepe paper. Those same
watercolors, however, can be 'pushed' to the point of producing extremely
photo-realistic works, it all depends on how it's applied, and no amount of
waiting for the company that produces the paint set can change that.

        On that same note, having some background in programming and watched
the evolution of computers since the early 8-bit daze, I have an understanding
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of what kind of serious task we're talkin about as far as coming up with some
of these algorithms. For those that don't know, <chuckle> it's not easy. And
even with the latest and greatest effects and textures, these algorithms are
still very finite in their capabilities, and probably will remain so for years
to come. No matter how many reflections or refractions are used, the 'feel'
will remain pretty much the same due to the limits set by the program.

(sorry it's taken so long to get to my point)

        I understand that professionals in business don't have the time to take
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their frames and work back into them with paint programs and image processors;
most 'flying logo' work doesn't require much more than color adjustment and
maybe a few effects applied by batch image processing. Most hobbyists are
concerned with the latest spindizzies and gizmos and producing the coolest
"Star Wars" or "Terminator 2" sequences. And lastly, most artists are exploring
and incorporating this new medium. The question I pose to all: Are the designs
and animations truly becoming stronger due to pushing the available medium or
weaker because most of us are waiting around for small collectives of
software engineers to give us these 'canned' capabilities?

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Thanks for your time..

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10/13/93 07:14 49/ "- Carsten Berggreen - Denmark -" <[e-mail]>
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Hi there everybody,  (how many are we currently?)

I have a suggestion:    Why don't we make a standard for our replies....

I'm NOT talking about the mail-format, since this is controlled by the mailer,
but I think it would be nice if we could make a "header" (not only a subject)
containing a sort of "lead-line" for the letter you reply to.

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>crap crap crap and more crap...  or whatever you think about me.. &:-)

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WHY? Well, it's a bit frustrating to read a letter without ANY kind of header
You are just being thrown into a letter without knowing the subject
(except for the subject line, which seems to be "RE: <subject>")

You might think, why doesn't he just read the previous letters about
this subject?

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and that leads me to this idea, couldn't we make this kind of "standard"
for replies???

Please consider this, the next time you reply...


PS. This is not meant as a flame, but as a leading guide for us all...
    I think it would make life easier for some of us...

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10/13/93 11:04 17/ [e-mail] (Greg Burger)
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Greetings

I'm working on an Imagine graveyard for a school project and I'm in need
of some trees to put in it.  Some spooky ones.  I was wondering if anyone
with Vertex could generate some trees and uuencode them and mail them to
me.  It would be greatly apprieciated!

Thanx!
-Greg

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Hey, if you're not paying attention to the thread, what do you care about
the next message in it?  When someone posts a long message, or more often,
a string of replies to a message, it takes TIME to edit out those extra
lines.  We all know some annoying people who DON'T edit old messages from
the replies, and the resulting 600-line replies are rude to everybody.

I PAY for Internet access by the minute.  I'm choosing to contribute by
asking and answering questions, but it's my nickel.  Spend some of your own
time/money to keep track of threads via the subject headers; that's what
they're there for.
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>Greetings
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>I'm working on an Imagine graveyard for a school project and I'm in need
>of some trees to put in it.  Some spooky ones.  I was wondering if anyone
>with Vertex could generate some trees and uuencode them and mail them to
>me.  It would be greatly apprieciated!

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     What do you know, someone else is working on a graveyard! I'm
interested in finding some decent reference material on tombs and
gravestones (beside going to a gravesite with a camera). Did you find any?
Mine's a dinasour graveyard, complete with a skeletonal triceratops
walking through it ;-).
     Perhaps having those trees uploaded to wuarchive would be nice, I'm
considering getting some sort of foliage generator and would like to see
Vertex's output.

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>I'm trying to get a chain moving round a cog in an animation.How would i
>do it ?( please be gentle) I've tried alsorts ways but cant get it
>working.
>Thanks
>Oren Ben

  Since all the links in the chain are the same, you actually only
have to move the chain the distance of one link. This is an old trick..
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can repeat the cycle, and it will look like the next link is the one
moving.

  Now.. how do you get it to move around the cog even the distance of
one link? That's the hard part I suppose.. how about manually moving
all the links up one position? If they're separate objects, you could
write down the coordinates of each, then type them into the next link
to get them lined up perfectly. Then to have chain rotate one link,
you could maybe morph from the one object to the other. I haven't
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>flickers somewhat.  Color the object like a gas flame, blue shading to
>purple or something like that.  Yellow flames tend to be from low-octane
>fuels, and it sounds like you want to simulate something hotter.

  Also, it would be nice to simulate the distortion caused by the heat.
This is really noticeable especially if the afterburners are off. Are
there any good ways to do heat waves? Too bad there's no way to apply
a brush as the index of refraction.. maybe make a bunch of transparent
objects with different indexes?

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21400.3.1.5157 Deja Vu?(sp?) ATTEN DAVE!!!!
10/13/93 15:37 24/ [e-mail] (Thomas Setzer)
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Hmmm, some strange goings on, on the IML.  Seem to be trapped in some kinda
timewarp.  Anyone else getting old messages, some as old as Sept 18th!

And what about those stange messages that said they were from someone when
in fact they were from someone else.  Dave?  Is it the ghost of archivers past?
Does impulse have a voodoo doll in the form of the IML?(what would that look
like?)  [insert twilight zone music here]

Oh well...
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BTW, did anybody figure out how to do feathers on a bird(or Native American
head dress, or a strippers fan or...)  I saw the one "feather/wing in motion"
response, anyone else come up with anything?


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